My 240 is too fat ... it needs to go on a diet

[lct]

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M5 and CL had a shutter speed dial as well if memory serves. Not sure what this has to do with body fatness but i am no techie at all. This rather fat lawyer and average user much prefers the ratcheting exposure compensation dial of his thinner Fuji, Panasonic and Sony cameras but YMMV.

[Manoleica]

I looked at the subject another way. I wanted a Digital M and of course a Leica Lens.. hummed and har'd for a long time, then the M-P Safari arrived.. Had everything I wanted at a good price (IMHO).. Is it too heavy? maybe, maybe not IDC. Too big? maybe - maybe not, IDC.. The sum of it's being is all that matters.. Buy, adapt, and enjoy the experience..L

[jaapv]

if Leica had thought of displaying shutter speeds as they already did in the M5 or the Cl (40+ years ago),

 and would not have opted to pursue the idiotic Japanese/Minolta CLE way,

we would not have to deal with ratcheting shutter speed or other wheels nor have any thickness issues.

The Q finally brought the legacy of those cameras back ... and from first hand information

I know that it is flying of the shelves at such a speed  that I am worried about the future of the M

as we know it. The rangefinder was always a specialty camera but it survived by the continued

use of a dedicated hand full of photographers which in turn served the company as bait

to sell it to doctors and lawyers to put it on a pedestal or carry it around the neck.

The M240 is trying too hard to make the camera useful in the hands

of the average user. I am not sure how many of you have cast a bamboo fly rod 

but those of you who did will understand where I am coming from. Hope this helps ...

i don't see many M tradeins on a Q... As secondary or maybe single camera, yes, but as M replacement, no. And I find a Leica does not work as a status symbol for doctors and lawyers - too little known. A Patek Philippe or trophy wife (pick your preference) are much more effective.

[LocalHero1953]

I've not tried a bamboo fly rod. Will it help me get better photos? If not, I'll stick to my M240, thank you very much.

[Manoleica]

i don't see many M tradeins on a Q... As secondary or maybe single camera, yes, but as M replacement, no. And I find a Leica does not work as a status symbol for doctors and lawyers - too little known. A Patek Philippe or trophy wife (pick your preference) are much more effective.

 

I have 2 out of 3 (No PP) - can I still join the Club? 

[bocaburger]

I have used exposure compensation when doing extensive shooting of a smallish subject against a background of contrasting brightness from a somewhat fixed vantage point, but otherwise I find it quicker to shoot in manual and vary the shutter speed or aperture myself.  The other use for exposure comp is to correct for a meter than consistently reads high or low.  Back in the film days I did that with ISO, but that doesn't work with a digital camera. 

[marchyman]

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i don't see many M tradeins on a Q... As secondary or maybe single camera, yes, but as M replacement, no.

 

 

Agreed.  My Q came first.  Buying and using the Q lead to me buying an M.  They compliment each other.

[Go Figure]

Congrats @jaapv thank you for finally outing yourself as a Leica dealer ( or maybe I missed that fact all along due to my own closemindedness ).

Also who suggested anything about the M being a status symbol ... doctors and lawyers would traditionally buy Leica  as they are mostly people of higher IQ, and as such would understand and respect the concept of a Leica M. 

Your sales in NL might not be equivalent to US sales. So it's your word against mine - touché !

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It seems one runs into the same industry and sales related people here on this forum just as elsewhere - well too bad if you are unable to do your community a better service. Being sarcastic always seems to impress the crowds and the people who know little of the matter ... in the end 

such defensive tactics only win you the day but not the war. Finally a little anecdote: when I called my MUC dealer in 2005 to have my name added to a possible M digital presale list he said that such a list will never exist, because the company will go bankrupt.  Then when I had my M8 and called my friend at Solms and asked why they did not think of putting live view in the camera he said: because it goes against Leica's philosophy of the classic rangefinder camera - enough said .

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and @localhero1953 : yes, fly casting could teach you a thing or two about many things in life including how to take better pictures with your M. You                                           might want to try it some time even at your age life can be full of surprises once you allow them into your life.

[LocalHero1953]

Congrats @jaapv thank you for finally outing yourself as a Leica dealer ( or maybe I missed that fact all along due to my own closemindedness ).

Also who suggested anything about the M being a status symbol ... doctors and lawyers would traditionally buy Leica  as they are mostly people of higher IQ, and as such would understand and respect the concept of a Leica M. 

Your sales in NL might not be equivalent to US sales. So it's your word against mine - touché !

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It seems one runs into the same industry and sales related people here on this forum just as elsewhere - well too bad if you are unable to do your community a better service. Being sarcastic always seems to impress the crowds and the people who know little of the matter ... in the end 

such defensive tactics only win you the day but not the war. Finally a little anecdote: when I called my MUC dealer in 2005 to have my name added to a possible M digital presale list he said that such a list will never exist, because the company will go bankrupt.  Then when I had my M8 and called my friend at Solms and asked why they did not think of putting live view in the camera he said: because it goes against Leica's philosophy of the classic rangefinder camera - enough said .

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and @localhero1953 : yes, fly casting could teach you a thing or two about many things in life including how to take better pictures with your M. You                                           might want to try it some time even at your age life can be full of surprises once you allow them into your life.

You seem intent on fire raising.

I'll let this one pass.

[jonoslack]

Well Mark

I think that everyone was pretty amazed that they didn't go bust around then - but clearly your dealer, like most of the rest of us - wasn't in on the development of the M8.

. . . . . . and I'm sure that they did think of putting live view in the camera, but it was inconceivable as the only sensor they could get to work with M lenses was a CCD - and there was no possibility of raising the R&D funds to do more than they did . . .... . .

 

Worth mentioning that the M8 is still used and loved (which other camera from that era is still relevant? (other than perhaps the Nikon D700)). 

 

. . and Jaap isn't a Leica dealer!

 

 Finally a little anecdote: when I called my MUC dealer in 2005 to have my name added to a possible M digital presale list he said that such a list will never exist, because the company will go bankrupt.  

Then when I had my M8 and called my friend at Solms and asked why they did not think of putting live view in the camera he said: because it goes against Leica's philosophy of the classic rangefinder camera - enough said .

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[Tailwagger]

 

Worth mentioning that the M8 is still used and loved (which other camera from that era is still relevant? (other than perhaps the Nikon D700)). 

 

 

I suppose it depends on how you define era and relevance, but the Epson R-D1 comes to mind. Certainly still highly coveted when one considers the $$$ per pixel cost on the used market.   

[ramosa]

Prediction: if the M 240 ever goes on a diet, the naysayers will be first in line for purchase.

[jaapv]

I suppose it depends on how you define era and relevance, but the Epson R-D1 comes to mind. Certainly still highly coveted when one considers the $$$ per pixel cost on the used market.   

True. And the Digilux2. Not to forget the Kodak DSC14n or the DMR.

[Ecaton]

The difference in the thickness between the M240-series and M8/M9 is not significant to me. I would not spend money upgrading to a new body unless it was as thin as a film M. 

 

The reference is not the M9 but a M film camera. The MP (film) is the reference "Leica Gestalt".

[edwardkaraa]

I like my M262 much more than the M240. It's lighter, has less buttons, smaller red dot, and the battery is lasting me one month on one charge (I don't shoot a lot).

 

Now I really don't care about a few millimeters or grams, as long as the simplicity and minimalism are still there.