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How many megapixels in the next M?

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Paul J

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New generation of M and SL should be 40 but I bet it won't be. When the S gets over it's increasingly embarrassing infancy of 37MP then we may see an increase, I guess. Until then, Leica will give us all sort of reasons why "we don't need more", which will then be read and referred to as gospel in this forum, until they can figure out how to make a decent high res camera.

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Imagine a lighter rangefinder with zero shutter noise, fast EVF and clean 10,000 iso. Current Ms would appear as vintage by comparison. i would not use my M240 anymore if my A7s mod had a rangefinder.

 

 

Yes, you are right of course.  I am just very conservative in terms of technological advance.  I like things to be tested and proven before I jump in.  I bought an M8 relatively late (2009) and then only upgraded to M240p in 2014.  I do not expect to upgrade again until the successor to the next version of the M, maybe in 2020.  Even then these upgrades feel too quick to me.  The only real desire I have is a faster EVF with no buffering so that I can use 135mm + lenses comfortably with continuous shooting for some very ocassional  use.  So I can not think of the M240 as vintage, when my M8 is only just acquiring that status.

 

On the other hand, I could buy lenses all day long, and I have to apply a strict control to my instincts.

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I would not pay $7.5k for a 24mp SL if i could have a 36mp M for $5.5k personally. I'm not the Leica's market though, fortunately for the SL :D.

Oh- I mistakenly thought that the main difference was the viewfinder system...:(

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Paul J

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Nikon D5 has 20MP, costs the same as the M240, and nobody acuses it for being outdated.

 

Pixelhunters, get a life....

This is the sort of naive reaction I find funniest. The Nikon D5 is aimed at people who need/want 12fps: sports, PJ's, etc. The D810 is aimed at people who need/want pixels: advertising, fashion, landscape, etc. We can not have a camera that can do both yet, unless you want to use something the size, price and complexity of the Red 8K Weapon. When the D5 can shoot at 12fps at 40MP, it will.

 

The M is NOT a fps camera. It is totally against it's ethos. Maximum quality, in minimum form, for the decisive moment is what it stands for. I would bet we would see extra MP before we see 12fps in an M.

 

Pixel hunters may just be hunting because they need it. Telling people to "get a life" because they simply need something, is completely laughable.

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Oh- I mistakenly thought that the main difference was the viewfinder system... :(

 

For you and me perhaps but for the market i don't think so. When the new M has a fast EVF, M and SL will be in direct competition. Things willl be harder for the SL then so i cannot imagine that it stagnates at 24mp while the M would gain a 36 or 50mp sensor. Simply impossible to me. I'll send you a bottle of Normandy cider if i'm ever proved wrong on that ;).

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LocalHero1953

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Leica has a problem with pixels. Do they provide more for what I suspect is the small minority of photographers who really need more than 24MP, or for those who are swayed by marketing comparisons? Or do they risk irritating those who, like me, would find the extra pixels a PITA for image processing, storage and backup.

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It is totally against it's ethos. Maximum quality, in minimum form, for the decisive moment is what it stands for.

 

 

Not really. The M system has always been about making the most of a lower quality (small format) medium. Essentially better holiday snaps and, for a minority of users, good quality reportage. When the need arises for maximum image quality, other cameras and other formats have always been preferred.

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Frankly I do not understand this logic. What are all the other common features that make them so comparable? (Aside from common sensor dimensions).

 

Same FF format, same pixel count, same (presumably) EVF, same M lenses and... same red dot ;). First time in Leica history that RF and TTL cameras will be that close IMHO.

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For you and me perhaps but for the market i don't think so. When the new M has a fast EVF, M and SL will be in direct competition. Things willl be harder for the SL then so i cannot imagine that it stagnates at 24mp while the M would gain a 36 or 50mp sensor. Simply impossible to me. I'll send you a bottle of Normandy cider if i'm ever proved wrong on that ;).

http://www.travelthruhistory.com/html/culture34.html

But the new M won't have an EVF as Leica is not suicidal, so this is completely beside the point. The Leica EVF camera is the SL.

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Imagine a lighter rangefinder with zero shutter noise, fast EVF and clean 10,000 iso. Current Ms would appear as vintage by comparison. i would not use my M240 anymore if my A7s mod had a rangefinder.

 

 

I like the weight of the current M. Feels like it is made of real materials and not just plastic. I also like the shutter sound. I never use an EVF, since I have a rangefinder.

Maybe something is wrong with me...  :unsure:

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But the new M won't have an EVF as Leica is not suicidal, so this is completely beside the point. The Leica EVF camera is the SL.

 

Of course the new M will have an EVF. Even if it is not a built-in one, there will be one necessarily. There is no significant difference between a fixed EVF and an accesory one a-la-M240 if both have the same quality. 

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I like the weight of the current M. Feels like it is made of real materials and not just plastic. I also like the shutter sound. I never use an EVF, since I have a rangefinder.

Maybe somethings is wrong with me...  :unsure:

 

Sure something is wrong with you ;). You should not have bought (have you?) an M240 in the first place as it is yet an hybrid camera. The next one will be enven more hybrid you can trust me. Another bottle of cider for you if i'm proved wrong on that. :)

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Same FF format, same pixel count, same (presumably) EVF, same M lenses and... same red dot ;). First time in Leica history that RF and TTL cameras will be that close IMHO.

Bit like the M and the R then? Except the lenses were not mutually interchangeable.

You don't see the AF and IS on the SL, or compact size and OVF on the M, as making much of a difference?

Not that close, IMO, - which is why I count myself fortunate to have both.

I agree with Jaap - I'd be surprised if the M came with a built in EVF; an external one is a solution, but not an elegant one to my mind.

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I did not say that the new M will have a "built-in" EVF but that it will have one. Don't repeat it please, i've just seen that in my crystal ball ;). If this EVF has the same quality as that of the SL, only significant difference will be bulk, speed, AF and the lack of rangefinder. No problem for photogs willing to acquire both cameras, but the rest of us will have to decide if we must pay + $2k for that. 

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