JBond Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share #61 Posted May 23, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Actually, feel free to come here with questions whether you have a Leica or not. Pete. Thanks Pete. I'll continue to be an active member of the forum. It has been very helpful and there is a wealth of knowedge. You never know I've probably got a 'beginner's stubborn fever' Eventually the wait may prove too much to handle and I'll give in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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colonel Posted May 24, 2016 Share #62 Posted May 24, 2016 I think you've misunderstood me. My budget is £3000 - £4000. I certainly can afford the Q or used M however I have decided to wait for a while before purchasing because i don't agree with the price increase of the Q on principle. Why not get a second hand M9 with the new sensor. In the UK they are around £1700. Then pitch for a new or use Zeiss or Leica 28mm or 35mm. If you don't like you can sell after a few months not loosing much. (An extra £1000 or so would buy a good used M. Some dealers will loan an M for a few days). Probably total cost £2000-£2500 based on an M9 Always worth trying an M IMHO. The Q is great but the M system is special. Alternatively why not drop a note to moneypenny to ask Q Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBond Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share #63 Posted May 25, 2016 Why not get a second hand M9 with the new sensor. In the UK they are around £1700. Then pitch for a new or use Zeiss or Leica 28mm or 35mm. If you don't like you can sell after a few months not loosing much. (An extra £1000 or so would buy a good used M. Some dealers will loan an M for a few days). Probably total cost £2000-£2500 based on an M9 Always worth trying an M IMHO. The Q is great but the M system is special. Alternatively why not drop a note to moneypenny to ask Q A very good idea sir. I'll start to get in touch with the retailers around Cheshire to see if they do a loan. You never know, I might be one of those people who get the hang of the M quickly. I suppose M has always kept JB from causing too much havoc and Q has given him the cutting edge of technology. Not sure if he could survive without either of them but the way the films are looking recently the scales seem to tip on the side of Q. However I might be proven wrong PS: The reason I included the M9 in this comparison is because I have heard that it has a rather unique rendering (Although how visible it is in printed matter I'm not sure)> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ricoh Posted May 25, 2016 Share #64 Posted May 25, 2016 You mention Cheshire, so Manchester Leica shouldn't be too far for you. Google and give them a call. I know when I was considering an M myself I was invited to go to the shop and take one out for a shoot (one of the staff will accompany you, also armed with an M) taking photos of my choice on the streets of Manchester. They may have a Q as well - worth a call. PS I have no link or make any financial gain from recommending Manchester Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted May 25, 2016 Share #65 Posted May 25, 2016 I have used the Manchester Leica shop, but only online. Their service was efficient and they delivered free of charge. Leica Mayfair wanted to charge for delivery and didn't have the stock anyway! Um, er? Harrison Cameras in Sheffield are excellent too. However that's quite a drive from Cheshire. Again I have only dealt with them online. No vested interest in either shop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBond Posted May 25, 2016 Author Share #66 Posted May 25, 2016 You mention Cheshire, so Manchester Leica shouldn't be too far for you. Google and give them a call. I know when I was considering an M myself I was invited to go to the shop and take one out for a shoot (one of the staff will accompany you, also armed with an M) taking photos of my choice on the streets of Manchester. They may have a Q as well - worth a call. PS I have no link or make any financial gain from recommending Manchester Leica. Perfect, just half an hour away. Thank you for the suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted May 25, 2016 Share #67 Posted May 25, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know this is a Leica forum and I loooove my Leicas. But you sound like the perfect candidate for a Fujifilm XPro 2. Looks like an M. But no learning curve. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 27, 2016 Share #68 Posted May 27, 2016 I know this is a Leica forum and I loooove my Leicas. But you sound like the perfect candidate for a Fujifilm XPro 2. Looks like an M. But no learning curve. Gordon It's a very complicated camera - no learning curve !!!! It's bigger then the M It's APS-C ..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBond Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share #69 Posted May 27, 2016 I know this is a Leica forum and I loooove my Leicas. But you sound like the perfect candidate for a Fujifilm XPro 2. Looks like an M. But no learning curve. Gordon Gordon, apart from the reasons that Colonel has listed above I was going to say that if M is not for me then I could go for the Q. Not sure why the Fujifilm XPro2 would be a better optionthan a Q? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted May 28, 2016 Share #70 Posted May 28, 2016 Gordon, apart from the reasons that Colonel has listed above I was going to say that if M is not for me then I could go for the Q. Not sure why the Fujifilm XPro2 would be a better optionthan a Q? You can use different lenses. Just like on the M. IMHO, the M and the Q can't be compared... You either need or want the versatility of using different lenses and investing in glass, or you don't. It seems like such a shame to throw away that 28mm f/1.7 the day the camera stops working... So if you want or need a camera that has the ability to change lenses then the X-Pro2 is definitely a better option than the Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted May 28, 2016 Share #71 Posted May 28, 2016 Fuji, Nikon, Leica, Canon, whatever, used properly with good glass they can all be superb. Buy what works for you. M fans tend to be fanatical, but our truth might not be yours. If your highest priority is driven by curiosity about Leica, buy an M. There is nothing else like it. Period. Nothing. If its a Q, then there is competition. At that point only you can decide. Beyond feature sets, focal length etc, spend a reasonable amount of time on Flickr, 500px, etc and look closely at what each of these cameras can do. Its important to recognize that processing can play a significant role, but if you look at enough images you should start to develop a sense of the differences in the way the Q draws compared to any of the others under consideration. You may strongly prefer one to the others or not YMMV. I think, however, its a bit misleading to claim the M is operationally a simpler camera than just about anything else one could buy. Forget about MF vs AF, or EVF preview vs RF, framing accuracy, speed to next shot, etc... Simplicity, in the most basic of photographic terms, is put it in P, mash the shutter, and presto out pops an over saturated JPEG. Even the most pro DSLRs can be used that way, not an M. The parameters of interest, aperture, iso, ev, shutter speed, etc are the same for one and all. On that score, I dont find the M any simpler to navigate than any other pro-oriented camera available. Each has strengths and eccentricities, which one make the best partner largely come down to personal preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBond Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share #72 Posted May 29, 2016 You either need or want the versatility of using different lenses and investing in glass, or you don't. It seems like such a shame to throw away that 28mm f/1.7 the day the camera stops working... I'm happy to live with a fixed lens. Even if I got the M I still would have bought only a couple of lenses anyway. As far as the Q goes let's face it, I do not intend to keep the camera for decades. It will most likely be sold after 5 years or so in order to fund the new model (depending on what Leica brings out) Fuji, Nikon, Leica, Canon, whatever, used properly with good glass they can all be superb. Buy what works for you..... If its a Q, then there is competition. Then the question which perhaps I should have asked from the begining is: What makes the Q stand out from the competition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 29, 2016 Share #73 Posted May 29, 2016 It only stands out if you fancy it. That goes for any camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted May 30, 2016 Share #74 Posted May 30, 2016 I'm using a "poor man's" Q. Fuji XE1 with the low profile Fuji 18mm f2. Gives me the equivalence of 27mm...low profile does about anything, and I can change lenses to Leica, Canon, Voigtlander...or an old Summaron. The 90mm Elmar works very well. Camera new, about US$ 250, lens about US$285, now. Good camera, good lens. all best.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted May 30, 2016 Share #75 Posted May 30, 2016 I like the low-profile, rangefinder styling of the XE1 (and XE2's). They have fine ergonomics and ( a bit too easy) exposure compensation dial. I don't use the numerous film simulations though. Just standard. Also, like Leica, the camera is not too small...fits my medium hands very well. I'd like to see a collaboration with Fuji-Hasselblad which made the Hasselblad X Pan; same controls on topdeck as the XE1. Love to see a Fuji-Leica; or a Leica-Fuji... cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 30, 2016 Share #76 Posted May 30, 2016 In that case this is the camera for you... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/260447-m240-m9p-or-q/?do=findComment&comment=3053522'>More sharing options...
david strachan Posted May 31, 2016 Share #77 Posted May 31, 2016 Hahaha, 1.5 M pixels...This camera came with card memory in 1999.. One image would not have fitted on a 1.44 Mb floppy, which were still around until the late 2000's.. One can still buy floppies. cheers.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 31, 2016 Share #78 Posted May 31, 2016 Actually I had the Sony Mavica. The first commercial digital camera. It recorded 640x480 images on a 3.5" floppy: By Ashley Pomeroy - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=25898606 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Mavica Some great memories. Will upload some files later ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted May 31, 2016 Share #79 Posted May 31, 2016 Nostalgia ain't what it used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 31, 2016 Share #80 Posted May 31, 2016 Actually I had the Sony Mavica. The first commercial digital camera. It recorded 640x480 images on a 3.5" floppy: ............... Marvelous. If I remember correctly, it didn't have an LCD screen on the back did it? A proto M-D, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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