The Leica M-D thread - merged.

[jaapv]

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Right! Buy it if it is worth the Obols to you, don't if not. Simple as that.

[Budfox]

Agree, nice to see a production model of the M60 at a slightly more reasonable price. Feel sorry for the poor bastards who bought the M60 (..........oh sh$t).

 

 

Not really - it really is a thing of beauty to use in stainless steel, with the matched lens. 

 

I understand people not liking the price, or even the lack of lugs (okay, not really), but to me, it was irresistable. I think making a production model is brilliant. 

 

 

The '(...oh sh$t)' was in fact referring to myself!

 

I agree the old M60 looks better than the new M-D, though I would still be really interested in the M-D if not for already having 'invested' in the M60.

 

On price comparison, an M-D plus a new 35 FLE is not far off the old M60 package in fact (so there all you naysayers!!)

 

Btw - has your M60 'worn' as yet as you predicted at time of purchase? Or does the stainless steel resist wearing reasonably well? I have been too nervous to take mine out of the house as yet.

[FrozenInTime]

So what is the little dot on the back under 'Made in Germany' ?

 

Good to see they kept the frame preview lever

[IkarusJohn]

... Btw - has your M60 'worn' as yet as you predicted at time of purchase? Or does the stainless steel resist wearing reasonably well? I have been too nervous to take mine out of the house as yet.

 

 

Not that I've noticed.  I tend to use it with the half case, and I also use it only with the 35 Summilux - very nice lens, despite Tim Ashley's finding of wavy plane of best focus.  I find it a fabulous lens, but I prefer the 28 field of view with the fantastic 28 Summilux (mounted on the SL).

 

Take your camera out and use it, and leave the white gloves in the box - it's a camera, and fabulous to use, and a great object of beauty.

[menos I M6]

Now that 

 

So what is the little dot on the back under 'Made in Germany' ?

 

Good to see they kept the frame preview lever

Is a curious one.

This little round dot was introduced with the current digital M platform and can also be found on the MMv2 sitting in my bag.

 

I would guess it is a window for the light level sensor which controls the automatic dimming of the LCD display on cameras which have the display, which shows that Leica indeed re-used the standard tooling from the M10 (explaining also the keeping of the dreaded thumb wheel.

 

This is an ironic detail - omit the LCD but still have to live with the LCD dimming sensor window present (likely plugged).

 

I would have thought this circular window would have been made by machining (not die based), hence I guess it is possibly now repurposed (maybe an additional screw behind it as of the different construction missing the underlying LCD assembly).

[DezFoto]

Personally I think the camera is a bit on the pretentious side, I honestly don't see the point of it but I guess I'm not the target audience for it either. I'm sure people will buy it though, just like people buy the M-A when they could just pull the battery out of their M6 or MP if the meter bothers them. 

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Ergonomics is also a factor.  I find the film bodies much less tiring on my hands, and it has nothing to do with not having the film wind lever, as I never used it as a thumb grip.  

 

It's really not a big deal anymore, as I have not used film bodies since the M8 came out, and have long since adapted to the fatter dimensions.  I did not say I would buy it if it was as slim as a film body, merely that I would NOT buy it for any other reason.

 

In other words, you agree that ergonomics may in some cases win over a large screen on the back of the camera. I think this is a message that often gets lost. Ergonomics, of course, is a very personal thing.

[kkonkkrete]

Here's what I'm gonna do.  When I've finally, finally, finished saving up for my first Leica later this year, I'm going to drive over to Wetzlar with the money for a regular M262 and a 35mm lux.  Then I'm going to try both the M262 and the MD262.  If, when I try them both, I feel the MD is going to be that much better for me, I'll pay the difference.  Otherwise, stick to plan A and be happy.  And then, on that day, I will finally drive away with the camera that I intend to have as my main muse for the next two decades at least.

 

Sorry for the personal story, I appreciate that the purchasing plans of some random other person on the internet may not be that interesting to you. 

[Guest JonathanP]

Now that

 

Is a curious one.

This little round dot was introduced with the current digital M platform and can also be found on the MMv2 sitting in my bag.

 

I would guess it is a window for the light level sensor which controls the automatic dimming of the LCD display on cameras which have the display, which shows that Leica indeed re-used the standard tooling from the M10 (explaining also the keeping of the dreaded thumb wheel.

 

This is an ironic detail - omit the LCD but still have to live with the LCD dimming sensor window present (likely plugged).

Does it not also control the dimming of the frame lines?

[rramesh]

The M-D is just another way to creatively deplete the parts bin before the next model rolls out.

[Exodies]

And to satisfy the desires of some folk.

[jaapv]

Now that 

 

 

Is a curious one.

This little round dot was introduced with the current digital M platform and can also be found on the MMv2 sitting in my bag.

 

I would guess it is a window for the light level sensor which controls the automatic dimming of the LCD display on cameras which have the display, which shows that Leica indeed re-used the standard tooling from the M10 (explaining also the keeping of the dreaded thumb wheel.

 

This is an ironic detail - omit the LCD but still have to live with the LCD dimming sensor window present (likely plugged).

 

I would have thought this circular window would have been made by machining (not die based), hence I guess it is possibly now repurposed (maybe an additional screw behind it as of the different construction missing the underlying LCD assembly).

err...what happened to the EVF interface slit then?

[rosuna]

I like the camera and I would like to have one. 

It is not clear to me if this camera is monochrome or not. I would love to have it if the camera has a monochrome sensor.

 

Anyway, this is the digital camera with the minimum possible interface. Quite an experiment, and a radical concept. Only Leica does this. 

[kkonkkrete]

It's not monochrome

[M9reno]

 the camera that I intend to have as my main muse for the next two decades at least.

 

 

 

With respect, I think this is a very unrealistic sense of the operability and repairability of Leica's current digital technology.

[wattsy]

Personally I think the camera is a bit on the pretentious side, I honestly don't see the point of it but I guess I'm not the target audience for it either. I'm sure people will buy it though, just like people buy the M-A

"Pretentious? Moi!?"

 

 

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[Paul J]

I can understand why someone wouldn't like it but couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of it - I will get one as a personal carry around. I love the process of shooting with film; the extra care involved, the visualisation process involved, the excitement and surprise of looking at the pictures post shoot in the dark room or at the lab. So long as I can switch between daylight and tungsten and change iso, aperture, and shutter, I'm happy.

[kkonkkrete]

With respect, I think this is a very unrealistic sense of the operability and repairability of Leica's current digital technology.

 

 

You may be right!  Though if it does conk out on me, I'd just crawl back to my analogue corner and lick my wounds.  I routinely use analogue cameras that are a couple of decades older than I am without any problem.  Not sure why a digital camera should just stop working.  I have cheap point and shoots from the early 2000s that still work fine.  My DSLR has done a good 50 000 shots over the last 6 years and it still works flawlessly.  Perhaps I'm just being naive.  Maybe there won't be a way to read data from the SD cards fifteen years from now?  Time will tell.  But anyway, my statement was really just a whimsical use of that ancient Greek rhetorical device known as 'hyperbole'.  My intended meaning was: I'm gonna use that sucka till either it or I die: whichever, by God's Holy Grace, comes first!

Edited April 28, 2016 by kkonkkrete

[cirke]

The M-D is just another way to creatively deplete the parts bin before the next model rolls out.

 

with the SL I am not really sure, it can be the end for a modern M 

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica M

[rosuna]

It's not monochrome

 

 

Mmmm... The camera that reduces to a minimum the interface, true purity in digital, should have been monochrome...