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[Ko.Fe.]

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On 4/3/2020 at 12:48 PM, pippy said:

As everyone who has tried out the early version of the Super-Angulon with a digital M knows this lens, due to its non-retrofocus optical formula, it delivers horrendous colour-shift at the sides of the image-area meaning it's pretty useless when used in 'colour-mode'. Add-in the lens' propensity for very marked vignetting it is easy to see why digi-shooters often pass this lens by without a second thought. Oh, and TTL metering doesn't work either...

I bought my copy expecting to use it solely on my Monochrom (where the still-present vignetting is less of an issue) but following-on from a brief discussion with adan (Thanks, adan!) about how the Bayer Array may or may not have an effect on the elementary nature of this colour-fringe phenomenon I thought I'd take the M-D / S-A combination out to see what the results are like when the DNG files are converted to black'n'white.

Here are two snaps (not exactly award-winning pictures in themselves but good for illustrative purposes) each of which being shown in two versions; Colour sooc / Mono dodged hilights & dodged mid-tones. The dodging was a hasty affair - perhaps a minute or two just as an experiment - but it shows that with a little bit of care and attention it is likely that pretty good results might be achieved without too much trouble;

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Philip.

Just in case. Did anyone mentioned the cornerfix? 

 https://lavidaleica.com/content/using-cornerfix-correct-images 

https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2538973&postcount=8 

[pippy]

1 hour ago, Ko.Fe. said:

Just in case. Did anyone mentioned the cornerfix?...

Not as far as I know, Ko.Fe..

That one is new to me. I'll try it out if I have some time tomorrow. I see there is a 'control-shot' needed for calibration which makes sense.

Thanks for the links!

Philip.

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M 240, 50 mm Cron V

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M 240, 90 mm Macro-Elmar

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50 'Lux ASPH

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M240, 90mm f2 Summicron

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Went for a brief stroll around town today it was damp, grey (and away from the main shopping parade) largely deserted

240 and CV3/1.7

 

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Edited December 21, 2020 by Adam Bonn

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M Typ 262 and APO-SUMMICRON-M 90 f/2 ASPH

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[Adam Bonn]

The sun sets on 2020 and 2021 has much uncertainty...

But we can try to chose to be hopeful, we can try to chose to believe in brighter and better...

...because just maybe (maybe) there's a pot of gold at the end of all of all this darkness after all...

(in case you're wondering, yes I really did shoot this tonight!)

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A Blot of Gold? by Adam Bonn, on Flickr

240 + the CV 35/1.7

[jdlaing]

Walking along the river can be very tiring.....

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[Adam Bonn]

Exactly one year ago today, I got my second ever Leica.

A secondhand M240 (I've never bought a new Leica, and in case you're wondering the first was an M9P, which I still have)

It's been a good year together... of course Covid has prevented me from taking it too quite as many places as I'd hoped, but that's an infinitesimal problem in the grand scheme of things.

I got a little bored with it in the summer. I took both the M and the M9 on vacation and predictably enough, like so many of you back in the day (2013-14) I have to be honest and say I preferred the M9 output...

...I wondered if an M10 might be the answer... well it probably is.... but the funds can't stretch to one just yet..

In the end I had to remind myself that I didn't buy the M240 to be a new M9, I bought it to use in areas where the M9 might struggle or more accurately where I might struggle with anxiety to risk my fav camera  (I'm very attached to my M9)

I ultimately didn't see how an even more expensive M10 would fix this!

So I stuck with the M240, 8 years of your posts, tips and tricks on here helped tame some of the foibles and after a while I settled into working with the camera.

So happy birthday to MY M240, you may not be the latest and greatest, you may not have the base ISO charm and tonality that the M9 gives me, and truth be told you're a wee bit heavy, but when all's said and done, you're a fine little machine, a veritable bargain in the context of secondhand Leicas and I've ended up really pleased with it.

 

TL : DR 

Here's a picture from last week, taken at a small fishing village a few clicks up the road. CV 35/1.7 and oh yeah I've had the M a whole year now. Wow!

 

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On 1/7/2021 at 2:42 PM, Adam Bonn said:

Exactly one year ago today, I got my second ever Leica.

A secondhand M240 (I've never bought a new Leica, and in case you're wondering the first was an M9P, which I still have)

It's been a good year together... of course Covid has prevented me from taking it too quite as many places as I'd hoped, but that's an infinitesimal problem in the grand scheme of things.

I got a little bored with it in the summer. I took both the M and the M9 on vacation and predictably enough, like so many of you back in the day (2013-14) I have to be honest and say I preferred the M9 output...

...I wondered if an M10 might be the answer... well it probably is.... but the funds can't stretch to one just yet..

In the end I had to remind myself that I didn't buy the M240 to be a new M9, I bought it to use in areas where the M9 might struggle or more accurately where I might struggle with anxiety to risk my fav camera  (I'm very attached to my M9)

I ultimately didn't see how an even more expensive M10 would fix this!

So I stuck with the M240, 8 years of your posts, tips and tricks on here helped tame some of the foibles and after a while I settled into working with the camera.

So happy birthday to MY M240, you may not be the latest and greatest, you may not have the base ISO charm and tonality that the M9 gives me, and truth be told you're a wee bit heavy, but when all's said and done, you're a fine little machine, a veritable bargain in the context of secondhand Leicas and I've ended up really pleased with it.

 

TL : DR 

Here's a picture from last week, taken at a small fishing village a few clicks up the road. CV 35/1.7 and oh yeah I've had the M a whole year now. Wow!

 

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Adam, my amateur eye sees nothing here that the M9 could have done better.  Happy birthday to your 240.  Is it chrome or black paint?  

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1 hour ago, RayD28 said:

Adam, my amateur eye sees nothing here that the M9 could have done better.  Happy birthday to your 240.  Is it chrome or black paint?  

Thank you very much Ray,

It’s a black paint one, I’ve always wanted a chrome one, but not so much that I’d pass over a good deal (I can only shop Leica secondhand) on a black model, ergo both my 9p and 240 are black!

Re M9 v 240.. well I own both, so if I simply must have the “m9 look” it’s best to just use the m9

I have wasted (or put to good use !!) a fair bit of time comparing the two with same lens and exposure type experiments... (it was lock down)

For my opinion, there’s some differences in the colours, that if you match on the 240 you cause more harm than good with orange and skin tones.

The main difference IME is that a well exposed, taken in great light m9 photo is almost a SOOC RAW camera requiring next to nothing in post, whereas the 240 needs varying degrees of sat/vib/clarity (and exposure tweaks) to get close.

But if you put in the work the 240 images can still make good music!!

 

[wda]

Adam, have you profiled your M240 using a Pantone ColorChecker? Saved and applied when importing new images could save a lot of repetitive work in Lightroom.

[RayD28]

2 hours ago, Adam Bonn said:

Thank you very much Ray,

It’s a black paint one, I’ve always wanted a chrome one, but not so much that I’d pass over a good deal (I can only shop Leica secondhand) on a black model, ergo both my 9p and 240 are black!

Re M9 v 240.. well I own both, so if I simply must have the “m9 look” it’s best to just use the m9

I have wasted (or put to good use !!) a fair bit of time comparing the two with same lens and exposure type experiments... (it was lock down)

For my opinion, there’s some differences in the colours, that if you match on the 240 you cause more harm than good with orange and skin tones.

The main difference IME is that a well exposed, taken in great light m9 photo is almost a SOOC RAW camera requiring next to nothing in post, whereas the 240 needs varying degrees of sat/vib/clarity (and exposure tweaks) to get close.

But if you put in the work the 240 images can still make good music!!

 

It will get lighter as you wear off the paint as it starts brassing.  🙂 

Edited January 9, 2021 by RayD28

[Adam Bonn]

30 minutes ago, RayD28 said:

It will get lighter as you wear off the paint as it starts brassing.  🙂 

That process is nicely underway on both of them 😅

[Adam Bonn]

50 minutes ago, wda said:

Adam, have you profiled your M240 using a Pantone ColorChecker? Saved and applied when importing new images could save a lot of repetitive work in Lightroom.

I haven’t personally David, but I have a custom .dcp file from someone that has.

I don’t really find the 240 colours lacking (well most of the time), IMHO they’re closer to accurate than the m9.

But the M9 (again JMHO) has a charm to its native tonality and contrast, that requires a bit a work in post to get from the 240.

I’ve made some presets that can help, but (imho) it’s often best to treat each file (that’s not part of a set) as a standalone entity. For example sometimes adding +20 of vibrance works great, other times it’s a disaster, so personally I find it easier to add things as needed image by image, rather preset it all, then subtract as required.

But that’s just me, OMMV and ultimately all roads lead to Rome!!

 

[wda]

45 minutes ago, Adam Bonn said:

I haven’t personally David, but I have a custom .dcp file from someone that has.

I don’t really find the 240 colours lacking (well most of the time), IMHO they’re closer to accurate than the m9.

But the M9 (again JMHO) has a charm to its native tonality and contrast, that requires a bit a work in post to get from the 240.

I’ve made some presets that can help, but (imho) it’s often best to treat each file (that’s not part of a set) as a standalone entity. For example sometimes adding +20 of vibrance works great, other times it’s a disaster, so personally I find it easier to add things as needed image by image, rather preset it all, then subtract as required.

But that’s just me, OMMV and ultimately all roads lead to Rome!!

 

Adam, I agree. The idea of a personal profile is to remove any system colour deviations and then fine-tune new images to meet your requirements. It sets a base-line. For colour critical work, I use a grey card at time of shooting so that any contamination can be removed. This practice applies to any camera. I agree that M9 images are rather special, but the M240 can match it in many cases.

[Adam Bonn]

1 hour ago, wda said:

Adam, I agree. The idea of a personal profile is to remove any system colour deviations and then fine-tune new images to meet your requirements. It sets a base-line. For colour critical work, I use a grey card at time of shooting so that any contamination can be removed. This practice applies to any camera. I agree that M9 images are rather special, but the M240 can match it in many cases.

 Yes 100% agree I use a whiBal when colours are very important to me.

I do realise that a colour managed work flow starts with a profiled camera, although personally I feel this is a little less relevant when chasing colour that one finds 'pleasing' for ones own use rather than critically accurate colour like one would demand for fashion, food etc

When we compare things, we're effectively comparing quality traits.

This is expressed as variable data Vs attribute data (many years ago I worked in quality management for the automotive industry)

For example: 

Which car goes faster can be proved beyond reasonable doubt via speed measurement. This is variable data.

Which car is painted the nicest shade of red, this cannot be proved, as taste varies. This is attribute data.

I find that in many cases on the internet (including photography forums) that folks like to debate attribute data whilst pretending it's variable 😅

So below I will present some attribute data between the M9 and 240

This is not scientific.

On the 1st of December I was in a certain place with an M9, a CV35, a 3 stop ND filter and I shot a photo.

Four and a bit weeks later, I was in the same place with an M240, a CV35, a 3 stop ND filter and I shot a photo

 

So this can't be scientific as the conditions weren't matched or controlled.

 

But I find this scenario more true to life, because unless one always plans to carry around camera A and camera B always shooting the same things twice, then IMHO comparing cameras becomes a game of remembering how you think camera A would of looked when you're processing files shot with camera B

 

So I don't present the 2 images below as looking like they were shot with the same camera nor am I claiming that M240 files look like M9 ones.

 

I'm merely presenting the notion that, for me at least, that the 240 can be a pleasing image maker, just like it's predecessor.

Because one small downside of buying an M240 in 2020, is that there ain't half a lot of folks on the internet saying it's a bad camera with poor IQ..

 

 

TL : DR (and I did get carried here, apologies)

 

If you're a huge Beatles fan and you're starting a band you gotta decide whether you're going to be a covers band like the bootleg Beatles or a band influenced by the Beatles. With the M240 and my image editing compared to the M9, I try to go for the latter (influence not covers)

 

(ok let's see if the forum lets me attach 2 images...)

 

 

 

 

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