RobertGeorge Posted June 22, 2016 Share #221 Posted June 22, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the 90mm is f3.2 not f4.5 You're right. Odd that it's reported at f4.5 at many different news outlets. Much better, especially if it's strong optically at f3.2. I'd still like a native 100mm f2ish, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 22, 2016 Posted June 22, 2016 Hi RobertGeorge, Take a look here State of S. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
hoppyman Posted June 22, 2016 Share #222 Posted June 22, 2016 So the thread now has become State of the H apparently. I guess that many threads wander off topic. Perhaps there may be new Leica S discussion starting with Photokina?I shall check back then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 22, 2016 Author Share #223 Posted June 22, 2016 Compare the S with the X1 and it's pretty clear that it is still on topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted June 22, 2016 Share #224 Posted June 22, 2016 You're right. Odd that it's reported at f4.5 at many different news outlets. Much better, especially if it's strong optically at f3.2. I'd still like a native 100mm f2ish, though. I agree with you. The Leica S lenses are very good, but I am not sure how they compare to the Hasselblad ones... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kparseg Posted June 23, 2016 Share #225 Posted June 23, 2016 I agree with you. The Leica S lenses are very good, but I am not sure how they compare to the Hasselblad ones... Depends on the lens and how wide you want to shoot. If you shoot wide open (portraits, macro, etc), then Leica S lenses are sharper and have better colors/microcontrast. If you shoot at f7.1-11 (portraits, landscape, etc), then there is little, if any, difference. Keep in mind that all Hassy HC lenses are leaf shutter lenses, but not all Leica S lenses have central shutter. For some it matters, but it doesn't for others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 23, 2016 Share #226 Posted June 23, 2016 For me the Leica S is a fantastic camera, the files print with amazing colors and resolution and will be a keeper for me NOW. The reason I say NOW is that I was initially going to see about trading in my S for a H6D but the 3 places that I approached in the UK for a trade in only one would take the S and they offered me 8000 pounds for the S006 plus 3 S lenses. I then thought about upgrading to the S007 but the best I could get was 5K so the decision was to just keep it as it is now basically only worth 40% of what I paid for it. The New X1 looks interesting but I'm not excited about the EVF. The H6D looks very interesting and seeing as the 100 back won't be ready until the end of the year it will give me time to save some money, also by that time we would have seen whet other competitor's have to offer at photokemo. Exciting days ahead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted June 23, 2016 Share #227 Posted June 23, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) For me the Leica S is a fantastic camera, the files print with amazing colors and resolution and will be a keeper for me NOW. The reason I say NOW is that I was initially going to see about trading in my S for a H6D but the 3 places that I approached in the UK for a trade in only one would take the S and they offered me 8000 pounds for the S006 plus 3 S lenses. I then thought about upgrading to the S007 but the best I could get was 5K so the decision was to just keep it as it is now basically only worth 40% of what I paid for it. The New X1 looks interesting but I'm not excited about the EVF. The H6D looks very interesting and seeing as the 100 back won't be ready until the end of the year it will give me time to save some money, also by that time we would have seen whet other competitor's have to offer at photokemo. Exciting days ahead 8K for an 006 with 3 lenses sounds ridiculous, what were the lenses in question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 23, 2016 Share #228 Posted June 23, 2016 120mm macro CS 70mm non CS 30mm CS Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted June 23, 2016 Share #229 Posted June 23, 2016 120mm macro CS 70mm non CS 30mm CS £8k including the S006? Amazing (and slightly worrying for Leica that the system is one that many dealers don't seem to want to touch). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted June 23, 2016 Share #230 Posted June 23, 2016 £8k including the S006? Amazing (and slightly worrying for Leica that the system is one that many dealers don't seem to want to touch). I wouldn't say its worrying, its just the dealers trying to take advantage, those lenses would fetch 8k on eBay or LL, trade ins are almost always a rip off! A friend of mine tried to upgrade an almost unused IQ280 to a 380 and was furious with Phases ones offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVB Posted June 23, 2016 Share #231 Posted June 23, 2016 120mm macro CS 70mm non CS 30mm CS Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The only H lenses that can match or come close the S lenses for IQ is the HC 50ii. Personally I would hang onto the S glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 23, 2016 Share #232 Posted June 23, 2016 The only H lenses that can match or come close the S lenses for IQ is the HC 50ii. Personally I would hang onto the S glass.im keeping them [emoji3] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted June 23, 2016 Share #233 Posted June 23, 2016 £8k including the S006? Amazing (and slightly worrying for Leica that the system is one that many dealers don't seem to want to touch). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted June 23, 2016 Share #234 Posted June 23, 2016 Dealers are supposedly required to keep a demo set at their own cost. Too steep for many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted June 23, 2016 Share #235 Posted June 23, 2016 Are you suggesting that the "big viewfinder" and "CCD sensor file" aren't really that significant after all – that it's really the lack of a red dot that makes the new Hasselblad camera so uninteresting? No, I think big optical view finder and CCD sensor for skin tone are two of big reasons I like about S along with Lens and ergonomics. Red dot is half true and half kidding comment, I am not a Leica fanboy but still consider myself a loyal customer. Hasselblad looks more appealing with more information show up. It looks like a MF RX1 a camera I like for long time. Size and weight reduction are welcome too. Just current EVF technologies doesn't meet my requirement yet. The body design looks pretty nice, better than SL from what I see. I personally actually like Sony sensor, it doesn't give me as good skin tone at soft light condition as S but it is a lot more versatile than S006/S2 under all condition. I wish Leica can come up something like these WITH SONY SENSOR so I can take advantage of my S and R lens collection to use on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted June 23, 2016 Share #236 Posted June 23, 2016 Well, since this thread has converted into State of H, let me chip in: - Full disclosure: I am happy S007 owner, now also with the S to SL adapter that arrived yesterday There are several things with the new H that does NOT excite me. To me it looks like an MF version of the Leica T, that never triggered for me: - Sub-standard finder (I mean: H comes out with a 2,4 mp finder almost 1 year after the SL came with 4,4) - I would never have bought the SL without this finder, to me THAT was the game changer - I don't like the iPhone type of UI on cameras - I mean, are you supposed to hold up an MF camera like it was an iPhone? - If I understand correctly, a new line of lenses that are not compatible with other systems, and will take years to roll out (somewhat like the SL;-) - I think this camera will severely cannibalize the new 50 and 100 ´blads, that cost multiples over this new model, but that's their problem. That said, I welcome these innovations, it forces the whole industry to sharpen and innovate. I am not waiting for a S with EVF, SL does that job for me, and I love the OVF on the S. But I think S will have trouble in the market if it does not come up with a 50-60 MP sensor. It may be marketing hype, but this is the parameter that is driving this segment of the market, although you may not see a difference. SO, not really excited about the new H, staying in my camp, keeping an eye on Photokina news from Leica.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 23, 2016 Share #237 Posted June 23, 2016 Well, while we wait to see what this new camera can actually do and what other lenses we can adapt, I've decided to dip my toes in the S system. I have a lovely used S2 arriving next week that I think will be a great compliment to my SL. While in a few years (months) I might get into the new H system, this will give me a great system *now* with all the focal lengths I like. I can also share flashes and utilise the S lenses on the SL. And I get to use those spectacular S lenses as they were intended. If I have to carry around a bunch of heavy H lenses and an adaptor, then there's absolutely no real benefit to me over the Pentax system I have now. The adaptor alone will negate much of the weight difference between the Hasselblad and a 645Z or an S body, with no guarantee those lenses will AF like they do on the larger H cameras. I wanted a complimentary camera to my SL for when I want extra fine detail. But I really didn't want to have to carry a complete other system. Being able to use an S for that and use those lenses on the SL is a huge benefit for me. So the SL will take my SL lenses, S lenses, Canon T/S lenses and ZF Zeiss lenses with ease. I'll have a camera with all the modern gizmos and great high ISO performance plus a camera and three lenses for when I need the file size. I'll keep the Pentax for the sensor and the fact it's a much better landscape camera than the SL or S. My entire Pentax system cost less than a new S-E body. I hope the H does well. It'll put pressure on Leica and others to get more/better/cheaper product out there. And the more people who adopt larger sensors, the better it will be to use economies of scale to reduce prices. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted June 24, 2016 Share #238 Posted June 24, 2016 But I think S will have trouble in the market if it does not come up with a 50-60 MP sensor. It may be marketing hype, but this is the parameter that is driving this segment of the market, although you may not see a difference. +1. I don't see how the S will be able to survive if Leica does not go that route... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted June 24, 2016 Share #239 Posted June 24, 2016 High MP is worse than just marketing hype. It puts extra constraints on lens design so that certain looks become untenable in the quest for sharpness at 100%. The current S line does a wonderful job, but I'd hate to see the OOF regions suffer for the sake of more perfection at the plane of focus. 100MP is great for Rodenstock optics at f/11. I don't know how great it will look with a 100/2 or 35/2.5. --Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted June 24, 2016 Share #240 Posted June 24, 2016 No, I think big optical view finder and CCD sensor for skin tone are two of big reasons I like about S along with Lens and ergonomics. Red dot is half true and half kidding comment, I am not a Leica fanboy but still consider myself a loyal customer. Hasselblad looks more appealing with more information show up. It looks like a MF RX1 a camera I like for long time. Size and weight reduction are welcome too. Just current EVF technologies doesn't meet my requirement yet. The body design looks pretty nice, better than SL from what I see. I personally actually like Sony sensor, it doesn't give me as good skin tone at soft light condition as S but it is a lot more versatile than S006/S2 under all condition. I wish Leica can come up something like these WITH SONY SENSOR so I can take advantage of my S and R lens collection to use on it. with a linear profile CCD or CMOS are looking exactly the same , the difference is a legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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