GHPhoto Posted March 28, 2016 Share #1 Posted March 28, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Forum, "Massive" might be overstating it but....... I may well have done the wrong thing: I purchased a 2nd hand Olympus VF-2 in the knowledge it is the same beast as the Leica EVF for the M. When using the VF-2 the capture is displayed in the VF for a couple of seconds before the live image returns. I think this is while the image writes to card and the live image re-initiates. This occurs despite Auto Review set to "off"! I assumed that as soon as an image was taken the live image would return instantly. Am i expecting too much? This makes shooting consecutive images impossible. Any tips will be appreciated. Have any Leica EVF users experienced similar problems? Thanks, Grant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 Hi GHPhoto, Take a look here EVF on M-P240 - massive lag after shooting. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
reddawn Posted March 28, 2016 Share #2 Posted March 28, 2016 Hi The Olympus EVF is exactly the same unit as the Leica one internally, so you didn't do anything wrong other than save some money. For EVF use, I have the same setting as you - Auto review off, and there is no review image, BUT, there is a huge (or massive, as you put it) discernible lag after every shot - that is normal, and one of the major weaknesses of using the EVF for the Leica M. The Live Image does not return instantly unlike many other Japanese mirrorless cameras because the shutter has to close and open again to expose the image, then close (at the end of the exposure) and open again to show you the live preview. This is similar to how DSLRs use their Live View mode too (though I'm not sure if it is improved for the recent, latest models..) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 28, 2016 Share #3 Posted March 28, 2016 Shooting consecutive images is possible. I have done it with the EVF - it just not possible to see what you are shooting For fast scenes I rarely use the EVF, my experience is that the OVF is much better, even when using such demanding lens as the APO 75. But if you were planning to use it for consecutive fast shooting with 135 and above, then it is tough. Allegedly there is nothing that can be done, the setup was supposedly 'state of the art' when released, and there were no contingency plans made to allow for upgrades when the technology evolves. The lag seems to be much larger than just shutter movement. The MP-240 camera can shoot in fast bursts. The Olympus EVF is made by Epson and so is the Leica version. The Leica EVF is just a ridiculously expensive version of the Olympus one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 28, 2016 Share #4 Posted March 28, 2016 If you search the forum you will find a multitude of posts on the subject. Yes, the EVF will black out whilst the camera is processing the image, like many cameras of the period in which the M240 was designed. Present-day cameras have a much reduced EVF lag to the point that it becomes unnoticeable. I find using the press-and hold review setting much more pleasant, as it will "freeze" the image instead of displaying a black screen, but that is a cosmetic solution only. Fact of the matter is that this is an Optical Viewfinder camera with an auxiliary EVF/LV. Trying to use it as an EVIL camera is bound to disappoint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted March 28, 2016 Share #5 Posted March 28, 2016 I only use the EVF for things I cant do with the rangefinder.... super wide lenses, close ups etc. ....lag is a fact of life. I'm so happy to have the EVF and live view.....I put up with it. I'm using Leica EVF so brand doesn't matter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted March 28, 2016 Share #6 Posted March 28, 2016 I only use the EVF for things I cant do with the rangefinder.... super wide lenses, close ups etc. ....lag is a fact of life. I'm so happy to have the EVF and live view.....I put up with it. I'm using Leica EVF so brand doesn't matter I agree. I still hope the new M has a better EVF, but the current one, despite being invented by William Henry Fox Talbot's's great grandfather, still does a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted March 30, 2016 Share #7 Posted March 30, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Grant, unfortunitly that lag is the issues with the M240. You also will have a lag between pushing the shutter and the shot been taken, with the EVF. I've had the absured situtation of photographing a person at an even and as I have taken the photograph they have moved off. Where I was left with the camera up to my eye still pointing at where they were. So when the viewfinder cleared I was photographing fresh air... Oops! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trivette Posted March 30, 2016 Share #8 Posted March 30, 2016 I think a lot of these concerns are by photographers who are into reporter-like action photography rather than artistic still-photography. The increase in photographic expectations since the digital revolution boggles the mind. If the time element were important to me, I would be in agreement with the speed people. However, my involvement in photography is for enjoyment and whatever art I can manage to produce, and this has always been my interest. I feel left out of the mainstream, but I suppose that is to be expected. I wonder what Ansel Adams would think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted March 30, 2016 Share #9 Posted March 30, 2016 I think a lot of these concerns are by photographers who are into reporter-like action photography rather than artistic still-photography. The increase in photographic expectations since the digital revolution boggles the mind. If the time element were important to me, I would be in agreement with the speed people. However, my involvement in photography is for enjoyment and whatever art I can manage to produce, and this has always been my interest. I feel left out of the mainstream, but I suppose that is to be expected. I wonder what Ansel Adams would think. I take your point about still photography but a small observation: art is by no means confined to slow photography. There are plenty of serious artists who need to be able to react quickly to their subject. They can enjoy it too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 30, 2016 Share #10 Posted March 30, 2016 My frustration with the EVF is the one downside of the M240 and one of the only reasons why I will buy into the next iteration - so long as this issue is fixed. While I use the M 95% of the time with OVF - and love the enhanced accuracy of the RF on the M240, there are occasions when I'd like to use 18 or 21 more (without resorting to the Frankenfinder), and definitely moments when I'd prefer to use the R 80-200 f4 that I bought some years back than to have to carry a DSLR and large pro 70-200 white lens. IF the new M has a better implementation of the EVF (and fringe benefits like enhanced ISO) then I'll sell my 2 M240s to someone who's happy with about the best RF digital camera you could desire, and look forward to working with the flexibility of a properly realised hybrid system. Whether the EVF is integrated or external worries me less than whether it works properly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted March 30, 2016 Share #11 Posted March 30, 2016 I think a lot of these concerns are by photographers who are into reporter-like action photography rather than artistic still-photography. The increase in photographic expectations since the digital revolution boggles the mind. If the time element were important to me, I would be in agreement with the speed people. However, my involvement in photography is for enjoyment and whatever art I can manage to produce, and this has always been my interest. I feel left out of the mainstream, but I suppose that is to be expected. I wonder what Ansel Adams would think. For me it is an issue that I work around. I use photography to put food on my table not for recreation, so my needs for the camera are probably different for some other users. It is like going back to when I shot with a Hasselblad. Take a photograph and the view finder went dark until I wound on. So my current work around is - to open my left eye! No disapering subjects for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted March 30, 2016 Share #12 Posted March 30, 2016 I think a lot of these concerns are by photographers who are into reporter-like action photography rather than artistic still-photography. The increase in photographic expectations since the digital revolution boggles the mind. If the time element were important to me, I would be in agreement with the speed people. However, my involvement in photography is for enjoyment and whatever art I can manage to produce, and this has always been my interest. I feel left out of the mainstream, but I suppose that is to be expected. I wonder what Ansel Adams would think. Totally Agree...the lag doesn't bother me a bit. But every time I push the shutter I expect a different sound.....and then I remember oh yea Live View I'm very thankful for Live View.......and Ansel Adams....One of the things he taught us was to slow down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 30, 2016 Share #13 Posted March 30, 2016 It's not massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 31, 2016 Share #14 Posted March 31, 2016 The delay is not massive, although everything is relative. Compared to an OVF it is. For me the M is not just a contemplative camera, something it does very well by making me pause and think about taking a picture. It is also a fast action camera - unfortunately for that the OVF is the only way to go. Fortunately, it is a wonderful OVF (if it only showed shutter speed in M mode...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoboydc Posted March 31, 2016 Share #15 Posted March 31, 2016 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I have been shooting a project in Bangkok...nighttime phone box interiors. The EVF has been amazingly useful for two reasons. It allows me to compose with a 15mm lens accurately at a 35cm range...impossible with the OVF, and because it flips up, so in a cramped space I can look down into the camera. That flip-up feature also makes it easier to photograph people without them noticing; if you are composing vertically you can shoot at 90 deg. to your apparent line of sight. Composing like that takes a while to get used to! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I have been shooting a project in Bangkok...nighttime phone box interiors. The EVF has been amazingly useful for two reasons. It allows me to compose with a 15mm lens accurately at a 35cm range...impossible with the OVF, and because it flips up, so in a cramped space I can look down into the camera. That flip-up feature also makes it easier to photograph people without them noticing; if you are composing vertically you can shoot at 90 deg. to your apparent line of sight. Composing like that takes a while to get used to! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/258679-evf-on-m-p240-massive-lag-after-shooting/?do=findComment&comment=3018115'>More sharing options...
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