Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #521 Posted April 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bought one already. Pictures to follow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarkP Posted April 10, 2016 Share #522 Posted April 10, 2016 Sorry I'm more confused: pictures taken of the camera or taken with the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #523 Posted April 10, 2016 Mark no need to be confused. It will all be clearer by Tuesday. In the meantime I will post pictures of my camera with its new shiny attachment when I get home. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted April 10, 2016 Share #524 Posted April 10, 2016 The sun was rising so fast that I didn't bother to check and see if the film had caught the sprocket, I just shut the back door, put the half case on, mounted it on the tripod and bobs your uncle 42 frames later I realised that I was still on the first frame...........Bloody plonker Williams Check the winder to make sure it's turning when you advance the first couple of frames of a fresh roll of film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted April 10, 2016 Share #525 Posted April 10, 2016 Gary according to your link the double holder is discontinued [emoji23] Hey, you have cheng-peng super-glue! No need to worry ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #526 Posted April 10, 2016 Cool Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 10, 2016 Share #527 Posted April 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Neil, what WA OVF are you planning to use? See whether the centre of the camera's own viewfinder is the same as that of the external OVF mounted on either accessory shoe at close middle and infinity distances (easier said than done with an external wide-angle OVF). If it's close then OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #528 Posted April 10, 2016 Mark I'm planning on getting a Leica 21mm f3.4 super Elmar, along with a new Leica 21mm OVF. This is the setup I had on my Leica MM and it worked really well Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #529 Posted April 10, 2016 Mark I'm planning on getting a Leica 21mm f3.4 super Elmar, along with a new Leica 21mm OVF. This is the setup I had on my Leica MM and it worked really well Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Forgot to say that it has a small amount of movement you can move prior to tightening it down. If I remember rightly, I just took pictures of something 10ft away with the left hand edge lined up to something straight and kept doing that until it was in the ballpark. ........ Not something you would want to do with film but not really that big a deal[emoji3] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2016 Share #530 Posted April 10, 2016 But the offset is probably too great to use a 21mm finder that far over to the side Yes it is The offset will create parallax error to the extent that you will get things in your image that you never saw and the other way around. even if you twist it to line up the frame lines (that will cost a lot of film and time, if you have to chimp by developing and printing to line it up ), which you can do for one distance only; they will be way off for all other distances; in other words, your viewfinder is acting as a shift lens. Remember that the real viewfinder has shifting framelines to compensate for parallax error. On a digital camera you can at least chimp to see what went wrong, on a film camera it will generate compositional surprises. And it will snag your thumb winding the film with the camera at your eye. Please remove that thing, it is worse than useless on a film M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #531 Posted April 10, 2016 Yes it is The offset will create parallax error to the extent that you will get things in your image that you never saw and the other way around; in other words, your viewfinder is acting as a shift lens.Jaapv I'm not going to use it for panoramas. The beauty of this is; 1/. Shooting wide angle you can just crop out the crap 2/. It worked well enough for me on my MM "so if it ain't broken don't fix it" 3/. Looks cool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2016 Share #532 Posted April 10, 2016 1. What crap? You are creating it by introducing considerable framing error. An auxiliary finder must be as exactly over the lens as possible to function correctly. 2. Your MM had no winding lever to be interfered with and somehow you seem to be able to live with mis-framed images. 3. To me it looks like a Rube Goldberg thing dreamed up by somebody who has never used a film M camera and does not know how it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #533 Posted April 10, 2016 1. What crap? You are creating it by introducing considerable framing error.......... Trust me there won't be that much of an error..........I used it like that for years 2. Your MM had no winding lever to be interfered with.........It docent interfere with the cocking arm, it might look like it to you but it doesn't, I've got it on my camera and can coke the thing without missing a beat 3. To me it looks like a Rube Goldberg thing dreamed up by somebody who has never used a film M camera and does not know how it weeks. (your spellchecker is $%$#d up like mine) tome whoopee Goldberg problem didn't have a film camera but your statement very subjective..........Jaapv doesn't like the look of it Neil Williams does, 6 and 1/2 a dozen mate :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2016 Share #534 Posted April 10, 2016 Be happy, it is your camera and a free world, but I assure that you are a minority of probably one on this forum BTW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg_machine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted April 10, 2016 Share #535 Posted April 10, 2016 And to think I almost pushed the "unfollow" button when I saw 30 new emails this morning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #536 Posted April 10, 2016 One last comment about the location of the 21mm OVF. For me anyway, its in a perfect location for taking a picture....steps below with it over the top of the Rangefinder; Cock the cocking handle Look through the Rangefinder and check EV and focus Move your eye up 1 inch, frame and shoot cock the cocking handle and your ready for the next shot With the OVF on the original hot shoe; Cock the cocking handle Look through the Rangefinder and check EV and focus Move your face over to the OVF and try and locate it.....not that easy if your a occasion with a large hooter, like me Once you find it take the shot Next clean the back of your camera of all the nasal crap that you left behind. cock the cocking handle and your ready for the next shot Too me thats two extra steps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2016 Share #537 Posted April 10, 2016 1 and 2 It is better to keep the camera to your eye and cock whilst looking through the viewfinder, takng it down each time really slows you down. Use the cocked handle like the thumbie - that was what the thumbie was designed to simulate. 3. The movement is quick and instinctive; I know where the viewfinder is - you will with a bare minimum of experience. 6. A film camera has no LCD to get dirty... And blow your nose like Mom taught you. I see that you are sacrificing accuracy and speed for an imagined problem... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #538 Posted April 10, 2016 And to think I almost pushed the "unfollow" button when I saw 30 new emails this morning Richard I get the same 30 3mails. On the other forums that I follow, I only get one email even though I get 30 replies, I won't get another email until I open that email and follow the link, then I will get another email on reply number 31..........cool. I used to think that the Leica forum was the same but apparently not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted April 10, 2016 Share #539 Posted April 10, 2016 I see that you are sacrificing accuracy and speed for an imagined problem... No Mate.........I'm doing what has worked for me in the past hence the "don't fix something that isn't broken" slogan. Film or Digital it really doesn't matter, its just a way that I like to shoot a Leica with a 21mm lens. You never know I might have just started a new craze:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 10, 2016 Share #540 Posted April 10, 2016 As I said: enjoy. Slightly doubtful about the craze, though. It will be interesting to see whether Photomerge will be able to line up scanned images to a panorama anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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