Type 246 back to original MM

[NB23]

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Leica is laughing at us big time. All these "M-typ-insert a number" are nothing else then sidegrades to the M9 while, purposefully, confusing us.

 

Believe me or not, I have no idea what's a m240 vs 246 vs mm vs mm2 and all that. And no, I'm not going to google it. That would Make me play their game and I won't do that.

 

Leica will not have me as their digital customer until they produce a proper digital M camera. I feel sorry for all the folks who are having to put up with all this.

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[Belle123]

Leica is laughing at us big time. All these "M-typ-insert a number" are nothing else then sidegrades to the M9 while, purposefully, confusing us.

 

Believe me or not, I have no idea what's a m240 vs 246 vs mm vs mm2 and all that. And no, I'm not going to google it. That would Make me play their game and I won't do that.

 

Leica will not have me as their digital customer until they produce a proper digital M camera. I feel sorry for all the folks who are having to put up with all this.

Keep feeling sorry.  Sorry you are missing out ha! NOT.  Since you have no idea what an M240 or 246 is, is a wonder how you can come up with such statements.  Dare I ask, not meaning to go into a long thread, what do you feel would be a 'proper' digital M?  Enlighten us with your superior wisdom.

[NB23]

Keep feeling sorry. Sorry you are missing out ha! NOT. Since you have no idea what an M240 or 246 is, is a wonder how you can come up with such statements. Dare I ask, not meaning to go into a long thread, what do you feel would be a 'proper' digital M? Enlighten us with your superior wisdom.

Shortly? Ask Nikon to design the shutter and sensor.

 

And give it a proper name. Not simply calling it a M and then specifying that it's a "typ 4357432". That's so lame.

[Belle123]

Shortly? Ask Nikon to design the shutter and sensor.

 

And give it a proper name. Not simply calling it a M and then specifying that it's a "typ 4357432". That's so lame.

Wow! That says a whole lot!!!!  LOL

[Jeff S]

Shortly? Ask Nikon to design the shutter and sensor.

 

And give it a proper name. Not simply calling it a M and then specifying that it's a "typ 4357432". That's so lame.

 

https://gregsramblings.com/2008/07/05/nikon-d700-d300-d3-d2xs-d80-d60-d40-confused/

 

Jeff

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https://gregsramblings.com/2008/07/05/nikon-d700-d300-d3-d2xs-d80-d60-d40-confused/

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Jeff

The M typ23455 trick is nothing else than a psychological lure. It allows them selling sidegraded or even downgraded cameras as being upgrades.

 

Maybe Nikon's lineup is confusing. But imagine if all their cameras were simply named Nikon D.

The D5 would be a D. And the D3200 would be a D.

Nikon D.

[Steve Ash]

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Is it really that difficult? There are the M8, the M9 and the M. And there are the cosmetic derivatives like M-P, Lenny Kravitz edition etc. An exception is the M60 which intentionally lacks the display. Further there is a monochrome camera called MM, one based on the M9, the successor based on the M. That' s it.

[Jeff S]

The M typ23455 trick is nothing else than a psychological lure. It allows them selling sidegraded or even downgraded cameras as being upgrades.

 

Maybe Nikon's lineup is confusing. But imagine if all their cameras were simply named Nikon D.

The D5 would be a D. And the D3200 would be a D.

Nikon D.

 

You mean like Porsche had 911's for decades?  

 

Most people are smart enough to discern the model (or type), and learn important differences, if they're interested enough in the product to start and willing to spend big bucks.

 

Jeff

[NB23]

You mean like Porsche had 911's for decades?

 

Most people are smart enough to discern the model (or type), and learn important differences, if they're interested enough in the product to start and willing to spend big bucks.

 

Jeff

Cars go by the year of production. Very different.

 

I am a Leica fan. No Imm not going to enumerate my collection for the sake of being accepted in the group. And yes, Leica lost me with their very, very poor digital offerings masked by savant marketing aiming to confuse the consumer.

 

But I suspect that some people will protect Leica like if it was their mother's company. How can anyone criticize their mother!!

[Jeff S]

Doesn't bother me what anyone else thinks....and I don't really care about the name (my point is that it's not an issue worth defending or not).  I use my camera to take pics and ultimately make my own prints.  If it works, fine, if it doesn't, there are lots of good choices within and between many companies.

 

You're the one here who seems to have passion (in this case, against) the company.  For me, it's just a camera (in this case a Leica M).

 

Jeff

[lanetomlane]

I had the original Monochrom but decided to change it for the much improved shutter and the same platform as the 240 .... meaning the same batteries and only having to carry one charger.

 

The 246 took a little bit of getting used to, but now I much prefer the actual camera and images it produces over the original.

 

As others have said you disable the video function in the same way as with the 240.

 

Cheers, Tom

[jcraf]

I really, really loved my MM Mk1 but (foolishly) sold it when the sensor corrosion issue became apparent. I appreciated Leica's commitment on this issue, but didn't want to be without my favourite tool, potentially for months.

 

I then owned an MM246 for 6 months; but for me the images lacked something and never reproduced the magic of the Mk1. I never warmed to the 246. It has now gone, px'd for an SL.

 

But today, in a London dealership, I saw a used MM Mk1 with the new sensor, just fitted at Wetzlar. Perfection? Get thee behind me Satan.....

[james.liam]

Can't speak for the images out of the 246 since I've only owned the MM v.1 but spent an hour with an M240 and one thing for certain is that it's a better camera in every imaginable way; startup time, VF, shutter action & sound, write speeds. After 8 years with DSLRs, the incremental size/weight mentioned in comparison to the M9 are rendered meaningless next to the overall improvements.

 

If only for operational ease, you'd be nuts to go backwards.

[MOZ]

If only for operational ease, you'd be nuts to go backwards.

 

 

Well, I had the MM1 for a very long time, a MM2 and a M-P then and after almost 9 months working with those "state of the art" products I still though that something wasn't working for me.

I was getting bored by my work, the images were good technicaly but lacking the "pop thing" that made my images sometimes likable.

 

Those cameras are indubitably great, powerful and modern products, I loved them for that.

But that wasn't the point for me.

So, I tried an M9 (already owning a M8) and bingo, that was it, everything came back in just a second.

 

So now I know what the trouble is, it's the CMOS sensor, it is just flat, neutral and boring to me.

I don't like it neither on the MM neither on the M-P.

So I sold my MM2, and I'm selling my M-P now, getting a M9-P instead.

And I plan to get a MM1 back sometimes in the near futur...

 

The point is no to get the best product or the latest but the one that works fine for me (!).

And so I don't feel "nuts" about that moove 

[wattsy]

The point is no to get the best product or the latest but the one that works fine for me (!).

And so I don't feel "nuts" about that moove 

 

 

Yes, I think that is the key point and one often forgotten in these forum discussions. The good thing is that there are plenty of choices available and I think, after having tried the various options, you end up with a gut feel about which cameras and lenses you prefer and this choice doesn't always correlate with what seems logical or a list of specifications.

[MOZ]

Yep...

I really tried hard to get along with those cameras... but at the end I understood that it wasn't working for me.

[Hayek]

I had a similar experience recently with my iPhone 6 Plus. Bought one as my older 4s became long on the tooth; small, slow. After about a year, the newer phone suffered a hardware failure and in waiting for a replacement, I was forced to pull out the old one for a few days.

 

I forgot how unobtrusive, convenient and compact the smaller phone was! Yes, it's slower and can't do as much but what it does, it does perfectly.

 

Sold the new and returned to the old,

[jaapv]

Cars go by the year of production.

Yes. And cameras by about three nowadays.

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica M

[jcraf]

If only for operational ease, you'd be nuts to go backwards.

 

Well, I did.

 

I have owned an M240, M240P and M246, and shot with each for at least 6 months. I have also owned M9, M9-P and MM cameras and done a lot of shooting with those too. I don't disagree that the 240-series offer much to recommend them.

 

But I have now gone back to an M9-P and an MM Mk1, both with recent services and upgraded corrosion-resistant sensors. And I am happy;  the images are just what I want. That is, of course, a personal thing. 

 

And, in my view at least, being happy with the images one produces is what matters. I don't find the M9-series operationally hard to live with. 

 

I don't think I'm 'nuts'. But at least I'm able, having owned and lived with all of these cameras, to offer more than an armchair opinion.

[james.liam]

I don't think I'm 'nuts'. But at least I'm able, having owned and lived with all of these cameras, to offer more than an armchair opinion.

It might help if you read more closely; I said, "If only for operational ease, you'd be nuts to go backwards." For whatever the 240 may not be, it is a more refined device. No need for your ad hominems about 'armchair opinions'.

 

Unlike you, I did not not swap "up" to a 240/246 after 2 years of continuous use, when my v.1 still retained much of its value because I really loved the look of the images. From the research I did, nothing the 246 offered seemed to improved upon image quality. The MM will remain with me as long as it works, just like my M6.