jurijgallegra Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share #41 Posted January 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can say that this is a problem in the 8bit jpg and videos. Note highlights, window light cyan and yellow artificial lights. In DNG as you can see there is no problem. Not a problem of recovery is that the high lights are colorful, and have never encountered this problem with other cameras. Jpg and dng photo in auto wb iso 1250 lens 24-90. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255403-problem-highlights-leica-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2966253'>More sharing options...
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jrp Posted January 10, 2016 Share #42 Posted January 10, 2016 Nearest thing that I have seen is in mixed lighting, using the embedded profile, rather than Adobe's: https://flic.kr/p/CUfecz The yellow shoulder highlights are slightly more muted in the Adobe Standard profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #43 Posted January 11, 2016 because then using a different camera in the same light conditions, this will not occur? I'll show you some photos taken in the same conditions, with Leica SL and Leica Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #44 Posted January 11, 2016 the same problem with Adobe RGB profile or standard. next test will keep you updated. I had the same problems even in daylight. But do you think it's normal? I do not think so. Especially in the picture of the bride outdoors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 11, 2016 Share #45 Posted January 11, 2016 I don't know if it is normal but It is not norrmal in digital photography to expose for the shadows imho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcomarin69 Posted January 11, 2016 Share #46 Posted January 11, 2016 have you try another lens on it? I know does't make sense but I don't have that problem with the 24-90 or the M or the T or Canon Lenses on my SL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 11, 2016 Share #47 Posted January 11, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Guys, I think it is unfair to brush this off as user error. The exposure for the shadows is a choice that many wedding photographers would make in this situation and the camera should be able to handle the exposure range. Also the highlights of the lamps in the background of the last shot can't be compensated for in exposure without compromising the whole photograph, yet they should still not be rendered this way by the camera. The OP clearly states that his other cameras do. I know a lot of professionals, who rely on the out-of-camera JPEGs for events, especially when some shots have to go on social media quickly. The sky obviously holds well in the DNG, so there is no excuse for Leica's JPEG engine to provide such an unusable JPEG file. This is Leica's camera for these types of events and it has to be measured by the competition from Nikon and Canon. Good out-of-camera JPEGs are an important consideration when choosing a professional camera. What is the saturation setting for your JPEGs? Maybe decreasing this setting will solve the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted January 11, 2016 Share #48 Posted January 11, 2016 The SL may well require the Metering to be recalibrated, it could also be the operator needs more experience in using the camera to its full Pro potential.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #49 Posted January 11, 2016 Guys, I think it is unfair to brush this off as user error. The exposure for the shadows is a choice that many wedding photographers would make in this situation and the camera should be able to handle the exposure range. Also the highlights of the lamps in the background of the last shot can't be compensated for in exposure without compromising the whole photograph, yet they should still not be rendered this way by the camera. The OP clearly states that his other cameras do. I know a lot of professionals, who rely on the out-of-camera JPEGs for events, especially when some shots have to go on social media quickly. The sky obviously holds well in the DNG, so there is no excuse for Leica's JPEG engine to provide such an unusable JPEG file. This is Leica's camera for these types of events and it has to be measured by the competition from Nikon and Canon. Good out-of-camera JPEGs are an important consideration when choosing a professional camera. What is the saturation setting for your JPEGs? Maybe decreasing this setting will solve the issue. saturation used in the JPEG standard. because finally someone who understands my problem. having seen this defect in 3 leica SL and I can assure you that it is not normal to have a jpg colored cyan or yellow. The video is like jpg and wrong, is incorrect. Appearance news from Leica Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #50 Posted January 11, 2016 have you try another lens on it? I know does't make sense but I don't have that problem with the 24-90 or the M or the T or Canon Lenses on my SL I tried with many Leica lens, including 24-90, in your Sl jpg is good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #51 Posted January 11, 2016 I have same problem. but think it's not a "problem" but a SL's default Jpg configuration. you can take picture like this when subject in high contras situation, like sunset. and yes, whenever take a picture of sky it's over cyaned. Leica must fix this. perfect, so how can I see the problem there, Leica expected to release a firmware in order to eliminate this defect. In the video it is more serious, if only in jpg using Dng you could do without, but the video on some situations it may not be good. Please if you can put a picture of you here who has the same problem thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted January 11, 2016 Share #52 Posted January 11, 2016 Maybe they can do something about skin tones in the same update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 11, 2016 Share #53 Posted January 11, 2016 I do not have an SL, but I do have some experience in handling Leica colour problems. Yellow tinge in mixed or artificial lighting can often be solved by using the Greycard white balance. Bad (Caucasian) skin tones can come from the relatively thin IR filter on Leica sensors. Skin has a complicated structure of IR reflective and IR absorbent layers, resulting in magenta and yellow splotches. The remedy is to use an IR cut filter for portraits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted January 11, 2016 Share #54 Posted January 11, 2016 Post #41 should really get people's attention. There is nothing the OP could have done differently in that exposure as far as exposure or white balance. It is a standard situation at events. The rendering of the lamps and windows in the background is purely the fault of the SL Jpeg engine. Please look specifically at that example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 11, 2016 Share #55 Posted January 11, 2016 Yes- my point is that the M240 has a similar tendency, albeit less pronounced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antikythera Posted January 11, 2016 Share #56 Posted January 11, 2016 perfect, so how can I see the problem there, Leica expected to release a firmware in order to eliminate this defect. In the video it is more serious, if only in jpg using Dng you could do without, but the video on some situations it may not be good. Please if you can put a picture of you here who has the same problem thanks. this is sample of overcyaned sky. I took this in Ethiopia last month (firmware ver1.2). fitst one is from DNG (by LR without pp) , next is from SL's jpg. (saturation, contrast , sharpness settingss are all default : medium ) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! very cheap sky color, like a iphone's HDR. it's very easy to reproduce ,just take a picture of something under the cloudy sky. Leica MUST fix this. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! very cheap sky color, like a iphone's HDR. it's very easy to reproduce ,just take a picture of something under the cloudy sky. Leica MUST fix this. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255403-problem-highlights-leica-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2966650'>More sharing options...
jurijgallegra Posted January 11, 2016 Author Share #57 Posted January 11, 2016 The same shoot using Canon , Leica SL and Leica Q with the same settings camera(auto WB, 800 iso, 1/60 f4) the highlights are colored in yellow in the Leica SL camera but not in Leica Q and Canon 6d. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/255403-problem-highlights-leica-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2966684'>More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 11, 2016 Share #58 Posted January 11, 2016 WB in all 3 is different. The only logical conclusion is that the default in camera JPG colour profile/white balance is incorrect. The original default DNG profile was also over-saturated ...... but as LR now has a custom updated Adobe default profile the processed RAW images are now virtually perfect. There were similar issues initially with the M240 and this was corrected based on feedback from those of us who tested beta firmware. Whilst there is an adobe profile for SL DNG's, there is nothing for jpg. 3 possible solutions: 1. Moan at Leica till they change the jpg colour profile/wb with a firmware update 2. Use DNG ..... which is what I suspect 95% of this forum do ..... otherwise this would have been flagged up earlier 3. Create a custom colour profile/preset for use in LR ...... the main issue seems to be mainly saturation .... auto WB in LR also makes a decent stab and corrects some of what you see. It has been many years since I touched a jpg .... except for conversion into one for showing here ...... the benefits of processing DNG's are many .... and that is why Leica gives you LR free ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 11, 2016 Share #59 Posted January 11, 2016 Nor, I would like to add, does the use of DNG add any complexity and/or time over the use of JPG when one is on Lightroom. The only difference is more latitude and flexibility with better quality end results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 11, 2016 Share #60 Posted January 11, 2016 Nor, I would like to add, does the use of DNG add any complexity and/or time over the use of JPG when one is on Lightroom. The only difference is more latitude and flexibility with better quality end results. And the ability to reset WB globally across a group of photos for lighting situations where AutoWB is likely to be variable and wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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