satijntje Posted December 18, 2015 Share #1 Posted December 18, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) As I will most likely continue to use only M lenses on my SL, I intend to get a 90mm M lens soon. Any recommendations, 90mm Elmarit-M, or the APO Summicron, or even Summilux-M? Looking for the best combination for IQ and handling (the lens should be well balanced on the SL) John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share #2 Posted December 18, 2015 Hi John, I have the AA 90 Summicron. It's a reasonably compact lens, and by M standards quite heavy. It's nicely balanced on the SL. It's one of my favourite lenses. If I can get some shots this weekend, I'll post them here. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted December 18, 2015 Share #3 Posted December 18, 2015 APO 90-R ASPH is perfectly balanced on SL and so bright to focus. Elmarit-M 90 does not flow in hand as well, but IQ using high ISO for slower apertures is jaw-dropping good (techno term). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted December 18, 2015 Share #4 Posted December 18, 2015 I've briefly used my M-Rokkor 90mm f/4 on the SL. It works very well, but seems a little small and light for the body. The Summicron-R 90mm f/2 is a fine fit and balance on the SL, and produces beautiful results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 18, 2015 Share #5 Posted December 18, 2015 Several of us are posting pictures with the AA90-R Summicron and the AA100-R Elmarit in this forum. The 90 has more "character" -- defects from being an older design, like a tendency to smear points of light a bit wide open, but also the graces of an older design. The 100 is pretty flawless. Both lenses are very long-throw. The 100 takes two full turns of the barrel from infinity to its closest focus (which is very close indeed), the 90 takes a full turn. M lenses are faster, but these two complement the SL nicely in balance, and the extra turning gives accuracy. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferdinand Posted December 18, 2015 Share #6 Posted December 18, 2015 John, the 90 AA is the best choice. It's optical quality is outstanding and it is well balanced at the SL, much better balanced than at the M. Two examples, both done with f 2,0 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254513-which-90mm-m-lens-for-the-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2951560'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 18, 2015 Share #7 Posted December 18, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Summilux-M?....assume you mean the 75. Another 90-M lens that gets favorable reviews here and elsewhere, if speed isn't a deterrent, is the Macro-Elmar. Small with excellent IQ and added macro capability. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted December 18, 2015 Share #8 Posted December 18, 2015 The macro elmar is a lovely lens. Not as sharp as the AA, it nonetheless produces attractive images. It won't, however, do macro on the SL unless you add a spacer. Mine comes with goggles, rather than the newer spacing adapter, which is expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Spencer Posted December 18, 2015 Share #9 Posted December 18, 2015 It isn't an M lens and you can't use it until the S adapter is out, but I suspect that when the S adapter is out the S 100 Summicron may be the best of the bunch near 90mm. It will be bigger than the other option, but is an absolutely lovely lens and will have AF when you want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share #10 Posted December 18, 2015 Okay, this is a little fast and dirty. This from just below my house - all shot at ISO 100. First, the APO-Summicron-M 90/2 ASPH, according to LightRoom at f/4. DNG file here. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254513-which-90mm-m-lens-for-the-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2951685'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share #11 Posted December 18, 2015 Here is the same image using the APO-Elmarit-R 180/2.8 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254513-which-90mm-m-lens-for-the-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2951690'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share #12 Posted December 18, 2015 And then with the APO-Extender-R 2x Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254513-which-90mm-m-lens-for-the-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2951691'>More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted December 19, 2015 Share #13 Posted December 19, 2015 Intersting, John. These images do not show the coma and vignetting that Scott and I saw with our 90AA R lenses. Which profile are you using? And which adapter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 19, 2015 Share #14 Posted December 19, 2015 The macro elmar is a lovely lens. Not as sharp as the AA, it nonetheless produces attractive images. It won't, however, do macro on the SL unless you add a spacer. Mine comes with goggles, rather than the newer spacing adapter, which is expensive. Puts actually rates the Macro-Elmar above the APO Summicron, and notes softness with the latter at close focus distances until f4. Personally, I don't worry about such stuff, and doubt I could distinguish, or even care, looking at well made pics/prints from either. I don't use a 90 that often, so size would be more of an issue for me (regrettably, the hood on the new version apparently doesn't reverse mount on the lens like the former version)....and of course the speed of the Macro is limiting for some. The cost of the new Macro-Elmar plus the adapter is quite close to that of a new Summicron....don't know about used market. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 19, 2015 Share #15 Posted December 19, 2015 Intersting, John. These images do not show the coma and vignetting that Scott and I saw with our 90AA R lenses. Which profile are you using? And which adapter? For the APO-Summicron-M 90/2 ASPH, I'm using the Leica M-T adapter, which reads the 6 bit code directly from the lens. For the APO-Elmarit-R 180/2.8, I'm using the profile for the 11273 and stacking the Leica M-T adapter with the Leica R-M adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted December 19, 2015 Share #16 Posted December 19, 2015 I misread your earlier post and thought you were using the 90 AA R, but I see the M version (which I believe is essentially identical) performs well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 19, 2015 Share #17 Posted December 19, 2015 John (Satijntje), If you're looking to shoot a 90 mm on the SL then you might like to consider the 80/1.4 Summilux-R as well. It would mean buying the M to R adaptor unless you still have one but the results are superb and quite similar to the 75 Summilux-M. It handles very well on the SL but a little heavy - although lighter than the SL with 24-90. Pete. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254513-which-90mm-m-lens-for-the-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2951862'>More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted December 19, 2015 Share #18 Posted December 19, 2015 Several of us are posting pictures with the AA90-R Summicron and the AA100-R Elmarit in this forum. The 90 has more "character" -- defects from being an older design, like a tendency to smear points of light a bit wide open, but also the graces of an older design. The 100 is pretty flawless. Both lenses are very long-throw. Scott, as far as I know, the AA90-M Summicron is from 1998, AA90-R Summicron is from 2002 and the AA100-R Elmarit from 1987. Lucien Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 19, 2015 Share #19 Posted December 19, 2015 While the AA90-R Summicron was introduced a few years after the AA90-M, they seem to be almost identical in design, and are believed (if you read Puts) to have been designed together. He characterizes them as coming before the days of FLEs and thus better at distant than at close focus. The 90 Summicrons which preceded the AA were varied in quality -- there seemed to be an effort to reduce weight and cost involved. The AA100-R was the first design of its type, and on paper looks just as strong. Because the AA100 design has departures from the "pure dual Gauss elements" to support close work, Puts claims that it is less strong at large distances. I did some test shots today with the AA90R, the AA100 and the AA100 with 2X Apo extender. We'll see if I can distinguish them. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted December 19, 2015 Share #20 Posted December 19, 2015 I've always found my 100/2.8 APO-Macro-Elmarit-R to be excellent at distance. (Off course it's well known as class-leading for macro work.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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