ShivaYash Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #81 Posted December 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) My first MP new costed € 2000,- The M6 costed € 1450/1750, used then. My latest( bought 2012 used mint MP costed €2300,- . The avarage used M6TTL in the same shape costs about € 1100,-. I can live with the diffencence. Thanks for this. I think MP prices are on increase, many laughing on shelves I'd guess. I don't miss my MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paulus Posted December 16, 2015 Share #82 Posted December 16, 2015 All good points. This is why I opted for the M6Ti model, for the brass. That's why I sold the M6 Titanisiert ( are talking about the same one? ) It was not as sturdy, got a little dent on the top, as my MP.And I really like the rewind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #83 Posted December 16, 2015 That's why I sold the M6 Titanisiert ( are talking about the same one? ) It was not as sturdy, got a little dent on the top, as my MP.And I really like the rewind. Brass will dent regardless of body. I agree the MP style rewind is far nicer than the plastic tipped lever on the MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #84 Posted December 16, 2015 Brass will dent regardless of body. I agree the MP style rewind is far nicer than the plastic tipped lever on the MP. Yes M6 Ti is brass. Normal M6s are zinc alloy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 16, 2015 Share #85 Posted December 16, 2015 So I think my provocative title got some good answers. I find it amusing/ amazing how we all have to justify our choices on such forums. I am including myself in this obviously. The thing with film cameras though is they don't change the photo like with digital. I think the M6 flare issue has been written about to death and really isn't that bad. Sure the MP is better in this regard but for a poor man like me, I am just delighted to have a film M again for hobby use. As I watch your products: Leica Produkte M-EM8 M6 Titanium 28f2 35f2 (IV) 35f1.4 FAG 50f2 (V) could you define "poor"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #86 Posted December 16, 2015 As I watch your products: Leica Produkte M-E M8 M6 Titanium 28f2 35f2 (IV) 35f1.4 FAG 50f2 (V) could you define "poor"? Well I am now. After all this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 16, 2015 Share #87 Posted December 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well I am now. After all this. Doesn't sound logical to me. You still have those possesions? You can sell them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #88 Posted December 16, 2015 Doesn't sound logical to me. You still have those possesions? You can sell them?I think this thread has fallen into the realms of idiocy... ;-) Good night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpavich Posted December 16, 2015 Share #89 Posted December 16, 2015 I think this thread has fallen into the realms of idiocy... ;-) Good night. To be perfectly honest about it, I think it started there I'm not sure if it's a communication gap in that English might not be all of our first language here or what but even from the start, the question about anyone using a particular camera as a pro or poser is pretty dumb. A camera is a tool, and I'm sure some folks use it as a pro, some use it as a piece of jewelry but really...who cares? It's really a fruitless discussion. It's a camera, it will take pictures. It doesn't derive it's value from who's using it. So yes....the thread has fallen into idiocy but it didn't have far to fall, that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 16, 2015 Share #90 Posted December 16, 2015 Brass will dent regardless of body. I agree the MP style rewind is far nicer than the plastic tipped lever on the MP. True. Look at all the brass top and bottoms the press used, dented, but still working. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #91 Posted December 16, 2015 To be perfectly honest about it, I think it started there I'm not sure if it's a communication gap in that English might not be all of our first language here or what but even from the start, the question about anyone using a particular camera as a pro or poser is pretty dumb. A camera is a tool, and I'm sure some folks use it as a pro, some use it as a piece of jewelry but really...who cares? It's really a fruitless discussion. It's a camera, it will take pictures. It doesn't derive it's value from who's using it. So yes....the thread has fallen into idiocy but it didn't have far to fall, that's for sure. I'm minded to agree but what has been confirmed is the M6 is more of a Volvo estate and the MP is the Mercedes estate; both are workhorses but one is nicer than the other. Funny how you and others ask, who cares yet this thread has many pages to it now. Clearly WE all do and like putting our opinions about. I've learnt much about the M6 since taking ownership and like this forum for the knowledge it has. Leicas are tools but it saddens me to think that too many sit in glass cases as their are built to heirloom standards. The young south east Asia chap I sold my MP to didn't have any lens but just the camera for this exact purpose. It was black paint and I bet still looks brand new to this day through lack of use. Anyway... Perhaps it will end here. Wearing a Leica is part of a particular tradition so to deny this is dumb in my opinion. That little red dot means a lot to many hence the following it has. Just like Rolex, Mercedes, Apple and so on. Other cameras and things can do the job just as well but there is something magical about these particular items. Perhaps we are all posers. Finally it makes me laugh how 'discrete' Leicas are meant to be. Nearly always I've got engaged in conversations at weddings and party's just because a use a Leica. Not only official photographer but others too who understand the power of that red dot. Yes I'm a poser and can admit that. I could use a Nikon but I choose to shoot with a Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShivaYash Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share #93 Posted December 16, 2015 ***unfollow*** Click... The evidence of another poser. Why not go quietly, like the discretion of a Leica? ;-) what statement does this make? Mods, please shut down this thread. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted December 16, 2015 Share #94 Posted December 16, 2015 MP's don't have red dots. I get people asking about my R3 (has a red dot) and my M2 and lllf (no red dot). Someone asked me about my Leica when i was using a Nikon F2. What does it all mean? Nothing. Nowt, Nought. Zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted December 16, 2015 Share #95 Posted December 16, 2015 I'm minded to agree but what has been confirmed is the M6 is more of a Volvo estate and the MP is the Mercedes estate; both are workhorses but one is nicer than the other. Funny how you and others ask, who cares yet this thread has many pages to it now. Clearly WE all do and like putting our opinions about. I've learnt much about the M6 since taking ownership and like this forum for the knowledge it has. Leicas are tools but it saddens me to think that too many sit in glass cases as their are built to heirloom standards. The young south east Asia chap I sold my MP to didn't have any lens but just the camera for this exact purpose. It was black paint and I bet still looks brand new to this day through lack of use. Anyway... Perhaps it will end here. Wearing a Leica is part of a particular tradition so to deny this is dumb in my opinion. That little red dot means a lot to many hence the following it has. Just like Rolex, Mercedes, Apple and so on. Other cameras and things can do the job just as well but there is something magical about these particular items. Perhaps we are all posers. Finally it makes me laugh how 'discrete' Leicas are meant to be. Nearly always I've got engaged in conversations at weddings and party's just because a use a Leica. Not only official photographer but others too who understand the power of that red dot. Yes I'm a poser and can admit that. I could use a Nikon but I choose to shoot with a Leica. I do not understand at all? First you tell something about the M6 being a better camera for you than the MP, then you start about a Volvo estate versus a Mercedes estate implying that one is nicer. I think you mean the Mercedes, in the proces almost insulting my wife who happens to have this wonderful workhorse Volvo which looks great. An MP is not a Mercedes. It's a great working tool. So is the M6, not a Mercedes, but a great working tool. I don't know if you know the saying in English, but we say: " The better the tool, the lighter the work." It seems to me, as if your work is not light enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbylon Posted December 16, 2015 Share #96 Posted December 16, 2015 But why is a 50 year old black paint M4 as expensive as a MP? Because I can find an MP in about an hour! Findinding a BP M4 is a little more difficult. I've had 3 MP's, all second hand and spaced by multiple M6's inc a ttl. Personally I never bondd with MP's as they never had the feel of a BP Leica which to me was original M2, 3 and 4's. The MP always seemed to me a marketing exercise to extract as much money as possible from buyers rather like the M-A. The corrosion issue with M6 is to all intents a non event. Very few had the bubbles and if a particular camera has managed 20-30 years with none or 1 or 2 spots then I'm sure it will be good for another 30 plus. I still have an M2 I repainted myself and fortunate to have an original BP M4. I honestly believe that the M6 is the best all round M and also the best value and I think this is now being recognised atlast and reflected in second hand values. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted December 17, 2015 Share #97 Posted December 17, 2015 M3: - hardly ever used - was curious about the finder - nice but will either sell it at some point or will have an elaborate conversion + modification done to a black paint MP hybrid with modern Leicavit and quick-load Will I use it more then? I don't know, probably not. M2 BP: - used once in a while (slow shutter speed escapement needs overhaul) - nice camera otherwise - bought because I like black paint things - still looking for that matching black paint Leicavit and black paint Summicron M6 silver chrome: - first Leica - smoothest film advance of any camera I have ever handled (including M3, M2, M4, MP, M7, Nikon F3, FM3a, …) - looks and feels pretty much like new although having been used regularly (not heavy but regularly) - have had people offering me money I could have bought an MP for for this one but I wouldn't sell this for sentimental reasons M7 black chrome: - nice camera - much faster and easier to use than a M6 - have a matching Motor-M as well - don't use it much if at all these days MP black paint: - bought it in like new condition - have probably not more then 10 rolls through it - nice camera but somehow no "connection" to it as with other cameras (like that BP M2 or my first, the silver M6) M8.2 BP: - my daily user for some years, heavily worn black paint - love that camera for some reason M9: - bought it as an "upgrade" from the M8.2 and found it wasn't an upgrade at all - nice camera, used heavily until I got the MM - sees very, very little use now as the MM delivers much better files MM: - best camera ever - regular user, no M6 could match in utility - this is the one that replaced the M8.2 as my daily camera Btw, where I live and shoot pictures, very, very few people know what a Leica is. In years not one single person has talked to me about the camera I am using. To emphasize: the kind of pictures I do take, very often involve directly speaking to strangers and asking them if I may take their portrait right there on the street. Of course during that asking the camera I am going to use is openly presented and none asks or comment about the kind of camera I am using. It could very well be a dinky Holga, a smartphone or a large DSLR with speed light, tupperware light modifier and 70-200/2.8 on it. I do these kind of portraits all over the world wherever I travel, having been around Asia and Europe in big and small cities, in the countryside on high streets and in places people told me not to go, … Not a single person in years have commented or asked me about the camera. Might it be that you just have bought a new camera and feel a bit … elitär about it, yet not elitär enough as there is a successor camera model "supposed" to be at higher cost? That's pretty f… up don't you think? Being a poseur or having an elevated self-image about the camera around ones neck surely hasn't anything to do with what kind of camera one is using but probably with a slightly twisted mindset towards using a camera in the first place? I love Leica M gear but that really doesn't matter for the picture does it? My main interest is faces, people, no matter what camera you use - a Leica M simply happens to be the easiest for me to get these pictures. portrait - gentleman with sunglasses by teknopunk.com, on Flickr portrait - the scissors grinder by teknopunk.com, on Flickr portrait - gentleman in HK by teknopunk.com, on Flickr portrait - construction worker by teknopunk.com, on Flickr portrait - the teacher by teknopunk.com, on Flickr thumbs up by teknopunk.com, on Flickr some more: https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=52593619%40N02&view_all=1&text=portrait What does it even matter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShivaYash Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share #98 Posted December 17, 2015 Thanks Menos. Well said. I look forward to posting my first film shots. You have a good eye. And glad you can take my tongue in cheek comments as intended ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 17, 2015 Share #99 Posted December 17, 2015 It appears from an earlier detailed and cogent post that the P has all the improvements that one can wish for and none of the are window-dressing. They are functional advantages useful to the owner. I am convinced. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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