tobey bilek Posted November 18, 2015 Share #61 Â Posted November 18, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) And what's with making the lens markings less visible? Is Leica saying they are not necessary? . Next will be a model without diaphragm. Â All images will be .95. Â Â ND filter set extra cost option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rramesh Posted November 19, 2015 Share #62 Â Posted November 19, 2015 With the collaboration with S T Dupont, this lens will now draw better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted November 21, 2015 Share #63 Â Posted November 21, 2015 This sort of thing makes me think they've run into trouble managing the R&D of both the new SL and the next iteration of the flagship Leica M digital bodies (I don't mean the Typ 262, but the Typ 240's replacement). The marketeers are trying to extend the life of existing products in the M line because the truly improved next product isn't ready to be brought out soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 21, 2015 Share #64 Â Posted November 21, 2015 This sort of thing makes me think they've run into trouble managing the R&D [...] Â I see no correlation at all. Leica has a strong style division that works separately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdk Posted November 21, 2015 Share #65 Â Posted November 21, 2015 ... and slow R&D on the digital end, not that the M240, or the new M262, is bad, but their underlying tech should have been better, and Leica ought to have released an M with better sensor and much better optional EVF by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #66 Â Posted November 21, 2015 ... and slow R&D on the digital end, not that the M240, or the new M262, is bad, but their underlying tech should have been better, and Leica ought to have released an M with better sensor and much better optional EVF by now. That's for sure. They're always pathetically 2 to 3 generations behind. Â How hard can it be to produce a highly competitve M camera? I mean to simply make it 8fps and truly more responsive? I can't stand the sluggishness if their M line. Â Besides, their new naming scheme is idiotic. "M typ this", "M typ that" only serves one purpose: creating a confusion so that all their cameras seem unique in a way. If they we're named M10, M11... M23, the lame upgrades from one M to another would be seen as insulting. Â I'm still waiting for a PROPER Digital M. Make it 8fps, extrelemy responsive just as a Nikon D700 DINOSAUR, and Reliable. I'll buy 3. Â For now I'm not touching any digital M with a dirty pole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 21, 2015 Share #67 Â Posted November 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Â For now I'm not touching any digital M with a dirty pole. That's what I've been thinking, but I was using an M240 today with a Summitar and a 35/2.8 Summaron, and I was very impressed; not at all the disastrous camera I've been lead to believe. In fact, it's the only digital camera I would consider. You cope happily with your MPs, why do you desire 8 ffs? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 21, 2015 Share #68  Posted November 21, 2015 The Leica M is a lovely camera to use. I have no idea why some on here (and elsewhere, no doubt) have lead you to believe it was a 'disastrous camera'...  Either people don't know how to use it properly, they don't WANT to like it - or more likely - have NEVER used it at all.  I'm pleased you have been able to use one and decide for yourself rather than rely on the opinions of the opinionated!  Thank you for posting something positive on this thread...  (and I don't know why anyone would want 8 fps either... although I loved the fact you wrote 'ffs'...! ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clactonian Posted November 21, 2015 Share #69 Â Posted November 21, 2015 I have no desire to buy a SE Noctilux but have no problem with those that do. The lenses I own with my M240 suit me just fine as does the camera; but then so do the various DSLRs that I have bought over the last ten years, all of which I still use and all of which make great images within my capabilities. So what's wrong with dinosaurs? Give me evolution over revolution any day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 21, 2015 Share #70 Â Posted November 21, 2015 (and I don't know why anyone would want 8 fps either... although I loved the fact you wrote 'ffs'...! ) Ha ha. I didn't notice that! Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #71  Posted November 21, 2015 Im  A 8 fps camera, even if shot at 1 fps, means it's an extremely efficient camera. Instant review. Instant power up. Instant browsing thru files. Instant shutter cocking. Huge computing power. Huge buffer. it becomes an extension of your nervous system instead of being a sluggish device.  A film Leica is in many ways what I described above: always ready, an extension of the nervous system (highly responsive). No electronics in the way.  That's it: a digital M's electronics are too much in the way. Even the Dinosaur D700 has solved that issue Back in 2008. Leica is still battling with sorting them out and we're almost in 2016.  The way things are going, 2025 might be the year where Leica will finally catch up with a technology that was available in 2008. But a safer bet would be 2030. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 21, 2015 Share #72 Â Posted November 21, 2015 That's it: a digital M's electronics are too much in the way. Even the Dinosaur D700 has solved that issue Back in 2008. Â Perhaps having a sensor of 50% the pixels as the M makes it so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #73 Â Posted November 21, 2015 Perhaps having a sensor of 50% the pixels as the M makes it so. Wtf are they thinking, then? Building a Ferrari out of a Tractor. Â But to answer you, the D750 has double the pixels and double the computing power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 21, 2015 Share #74 Â Posted November 21, 2015 But to answer you, the D750 has double the pixels and double the computing power. Â Not the D750. You wrote "Even the Dinosaur D700 has solved that issue Back in 2008." Besides the D750 does not match the SL for frames-per-second. 6.5 vs 11 fps. Â end of topic for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted November 21, 2015 Share #75 Â Posted November 21, 2015 All of this drivel has what to do with the Noctilux special edition in the OP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 21, 2015 Share #76  Posted November 21, 2015 Im  A 8 fps camera, even if shot at 1 fps, means it's an extremely efficient camera. Instant review. Instant power up. Instant browsing thru files. Instant shutter cocking. Huge computing power. Huge buffer. it becomes an extension of your nervous system instead of being a sluggish device.  A film Leica is in many ways what I described above: always ready, an extension of the nervous system (highly responsive). No electronics in the way.  (...) Yes, those  photographers always fascinated me who clicked away on their film Ms at 8fps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #77 Â Posted November 21, 2015 Not the D750. You wrote "Even the Dinosaur D700 has solved that issue Back in 2008." Besides the D750 does not match the SL for frames-per-second. 6.5 vs 11 fps. Â end of topic for me If at least you were on topic. Â You seem to mix a lot of things. Â Yes I was refering to the dinosaur D700 being more performing than the current Leica M. Then you said it was because the M had more pixels. I then said that the D750, a current model, had twice the power of the old D700. Â My point was simply that Leica M is about 10 years behind as far as technology goes. Â SL? I don't know. I'm not interested at all. I don't care. What is that thing, anyway? Â I want a high performing M and I fear it will be marketed somewhere around 2025-2030. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #78 Â Posted November 21, 2015 Yes, those photographers always fascinated me who clicked away on their film Ms at 8fps. A film M has the same zippiness as a 8fps dslr. A Pro body, in other words. Â A digital M, if I had to translate its overall handling and responsiveness into the film world, I would say it's in the same category as a Canonet. About the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted November 21, 2015 Share #79 Â Posted November 21, 2015 [...] I want a high performing M and I fear it will be marketed somewhere around 2025-2030. That's maybe enough time for you to up your photography skills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 21, 2015 Share #80 Â Posted November 21, 2015 That's maybe enough time for you to up your photography skills. I see this the other way. My present skills outperform what the digital M proposes. I was constantly limited by the M8, M9, and shortly, the M10. Â The fact that an M9 is enough for you tells me much moore about your skills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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