Peter H Posted October 21, 2015 Share #21 Posted October 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Crickey, what an insecure bunch! Threads about how he SL is bigger than the M (shock horror), it's expensive (now there's a surprise), it doesn't have as many pixels, features and othe stuff as the A7 (well, doh!) and there's only one lens (go figure, really?). And now a love fest over the M. Hmmm. I think you'll buy one, Rick. Look, it isn't an M, it has nothing to do with the M. It's a different system (though it will take M lenses, which is very tempting). It's a new direction for Leica, and actually everyone else - an EVF camera set at the dSLR market. The only other camera in this sector is the A7, and this one looks like is just might be better. A lot better. I think this is very interesting for all the things the M cameras don't really do. I'm interested. Won't affect my M cameras - it's an AF zoom that's weather sealed, and I can take on my bike and travelling, I can use telephotos for sport and birds, and did I say it has AF. Perfect alternative to what I have. Sell my M cameras and lenses? Forget it. This is is something else. It's something else compared with an M, that's for sure. My problem is that it's not really something else when compared with a host of DSLRs. The M range is unique in a significant and enduring way that is pertinent to the needs of a good number of photographers. I doubt that the SL is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Hi Peter H, Take a look here I'll keep my relationship with my M for now.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sumolux Posted October 21, 2015 Share #22 Posted October 21, 2015 First, I was deeply invested into the R system, with lots of glass. Trudged up mountains and carried kilo's of stuff all over the place. Gave me muscles where I had none before. Made me strong and fit But, people ran away when I pulled out the R8 and its lenses. Got fed up, sold it all and went into film M. Then a bit of digital M. Sold all of that and went big again to Sinar MF because of more pixels and size and flexibility and film and digital back and, and, and.... Trudged up mountains again. People ran away less for some reason with the Sinar. Now sold all of it off too, because of the hassle when traveling with hand luggage on planes. Happily back to M territory and this time for good. When I see the SL, I like the idea, it is enticing. But my back (and my wallet both) says: 'no way José'! That Hadley Small fits in the above luggage cubbyhole and I'm a happy camper. And people don't notice me anymore.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJFlowers Posted October 21, 2015 Share #23 Posted October 21, 2015 My relationship working with my M is a strong bond!!! I've got used to its quirks and love the experience of the process of taking a picture. I came back to manual focusing RF photography, from "swanky do it all" DSLRs....My love of photography has gown, the more I use the MP 240....maybe I'm just starry eyed with this camera, but to be frank I wouldn't change a thing....it makes you think and work for your picture and that suits me fine.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted October 21, 2015 Share #24 Posted October 21, 2015 The "SL"I hope they sell bucket loads of them! But the "M"...it's almost perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 21, 2015 Share #25 Posted October 21, 2015 Whilst I agree with Rick in principle ........ No single camera ..... or camera system to date excels at everything....... The M is in a sweet spot with quality, portability and ease of use ....... but there are plenty of situations where you find yourself chewing the strap in frustration at what it can't do adequately ....... These day I tend to go out with the Q on the off chance I will find something interesting ...... it's compact, fast and produces super images. For serious 'photo days out' it's M + lenses +/- the Q as back-up I can see the SL filling the gap for specific things that M & Q (and T, XV) miss ...... although it is hardly a cheap option ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo63 Posted October 21, 2015 Share #26 Posted October 21, 2015 I agree with the OP's feelings about the M I love mine, and as i have said before, you will have to fight my ghost before you can pry it from my cold dead fingers. The SL looks interesting though, as a complement to the M, not a replacement. I am not going to buy one, as my employer supplies me with a pair of Canon SLR bodies and a bunch of lenses. If they didnt, i would seriously consider the SL as a companion to the M, covering the longer end with the 90-280mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 21, 2015 Share #27 Posted October 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a very full M system, and that won't be changing soon. When I head out, it gives me pleasure to choose a camera and a lens for what I want. I might put a spare lens in my pocket (because I can, but I probably won't use it - I hate fiddling about with gear). What this does for me is make me contemplative. Conversely, when I travel overseas, head out on my motorbike, I do like the idea of a single do anything camera and lens. I tried this with both the A7r and the T, and neither did it for me. Will this camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted October 21, 2015 Share #28 Posted October 21, 2015 I am very happy with my M240 and as I have owned it for just over two years I am not expecting to upgrade it any time soon. I am not impatient for a new M. The SL is attractive in that it has AF and zoom lenses as well as being able to use M lenses. I have no R, S or T lenses but I recognise that Its ability to use them would be attractive to others. My main problem with the SL is the size and weight. I abandoned my DSLR system in favour of the Leica M which is supplemented by an Olympus m43 system which gives me the option of using AF and zooms as well as being able to accept my M lenses with an adapter. Of course due to the crop factor it effectively doubles the FL of my M lenses as well as providing image stabilisation. Obviously an m43 system will not give as good image quality as a very expensive FF system but as I rarely make very large prints this is hardly an issue for me. I think I will pass on the SL but hope that it proves commercially successful for Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted October 21, 2015 Share #29 Posted October 21, 2015 The new camera is targeting professionals. They might give it consideration depending on the budgets of their clients. For the rest it is likely to be bought as an indulgence. I have no need nowadays for such a big system camera, no matter how good or tempting. So it is an easy decision for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted October 22, 2015 Share #30 Posted October 22, 2015 Conversely, when I travel overseas, head out on my motorbike, I do like the idea of a single do anything camera and lens. I tried this with both the A7r and the T, and neither did it for me. Will this camera? Maybe, if you have a big motorbike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 22, 2015 Share #31 Posted October 22, 2015 No problems on his Lazareth super bike... http://www.lazareth.fr/moto-2/ http://www.lazareth.fr/wazuma/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 22, 2015 Share #32 Posted October 22, 2015 The new camera is targeting professionals. I sincerely hope it isn't. Cost, usability and versatility are major factors in deciding equipment requirements and I can't see the SL impinging much on the 'professional' market - too many unknowns and too small a system, to say nothing of cost. Actually I'm surprised that the idea of marketing cameras as 'professional' still works - most pros I know have very specific requirements and fill them with equipment which meets them, to say nothing about hire and so on. The 'semi-pro' or 'selling amateur' markets are far bigger than the pure 'pro' market these days but lack the simplicity of the 'pro' label and are probably the market the SL could target best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 22, 2015 Share #33 Posted October 22, 2015 Maybe, if you have a big motorbike Oh yeah! Well, actually not that big, but I have a nice tank bag which will take it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share #34 Posted October 22, 2015 Guys, you are starting to piss me off, veering off topic like this. This is the Leica fan-boy, feel the Leica-M Zen thread. You are really messing with my Chi! Let's breath and and all get into a Downward Dog yoga position and try and get reconnected with our inner Leica child. RickLeica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted October 22, 2015 Share #35 Posted October 22, 2015 The new camera is targeting professionals. . Pros will not think of the Leica SL rig as a "big". I have carried around "Nikon D"cameras from the beginning. The SL is not large.... by professional journalism industry standards! For now I will keep my M and my Nikons. If it looks like the Leica SL can replace my Nikons for doing sports. I will do that. But I will always keep the M! See Overgaard's post and photo... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/250952-something-new-is-coming/ The SL is not that Big! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 22, 2015 Share #36 Posted October 22, 2015 It's great, not big. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 22, 2015 Share #37 Posted October 22, 2015 I just hope Leica continues to develop the M and its lenses and doesn't let it fade away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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