Mornnb Posted October 21, 2015 Share #101 Posted October 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) What I just can not accept about new lens line is 2.8-4... Leica is asking more than 4K USD for telephoto lens with such aperture ? Given the size of the lens why they can't produce it fixed at 2.8 as Canon 24-70 does for 2k USD? thats strange. SL is great camera but I will pass! New M please. New M! f4 90mm may be more useful than 70 2.8. In terms of shallow DOF as well. It's only one stop lower but more telephoto. Hopefully the performance will be worthy of the size and price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Hi Mornnb, Take a look here first images of the new SL. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Ai_Print Posted October 21, 2015 Share #102 Posted October 21, 2015 It's actually not that big. Haha, yeah right.... The SL + 24-90 weighs more than a Nikon D810 with the new 24-70 2.8 E, same 82mm filter size! Even the body is hefty at 847 grams vs the D810's 880 gr. It's pathetically big and heavy for a "mirrorless" camera, LOL! I think this was a pretty risky move to be honest, for that kind of dough, I would just spend a bit more and buy an S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted October 21, 2015 Share #103 Posted October 21, 2015 Haha, yeah right.... The SL + 24-90 weighs more than a Nikon D810 with the new 24-70 2.8 E, same 82mm filter size! Even the body is hefty at 847 grams vs the D810's 880 gr. It's pathetically big and heavy for a "mirrorless" camera, LOL! I think this was a pretty risky move to be honest, for that kind of dough, I would just spend a bit more and buy an S. Well, you don't have to compare with that lens only. That lens is huge. I realize that's the only native lens for now, but likely there will be smaller lenses. And, of course, it can mount tiny little M lenses, which the Nikon D810 can't. The SL camera body is big, but not "huge" as some have claimed: Nikon D810: 5.7 x 4.8 x 3.2" / 146.0 x 123.0 x 81.5 mm Nikon D750: 5.6 x 4.5 x 3.1 / 140.5 x 113 x 78 mm Leica SL: 5.8 x 4.1 x 1.5" / 147.0 x 104.0 x 39.0 mm* *Edited to add: the depth measurement (39mm) seems to not include the SL's grip? I agree that the camera is heavy, within a few grams of the Canon 5D3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 21, 2015 Share #104 Posted October 21, 2015 And not a very useful one either. Too bad she couldn't have mentioned something concrete about her experiences actually using the camera. Like, how did her images turn out. She could have written pretty much as good a review from reading their advertisement. Ming, on the other hand, seems to have done his usual excellent work. http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/10/21/premiere-review-2015-leica-sl-601/ Camera/body combo looks like it should come with trailer hitch. I've never owned a lens that uses 82mm filters. How much are those dudes Kristian Dowling is a man. He is also a very accomplished photographer in his own field. http://kristiandowling.com/bio/ This is a first look article (apparently after a few days with the camera). It is not a complete technical review. There is more to follow according to his article. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 21, 2015 Share #105 Posted October 21, 2015 Either way. Big small fat thin it's still going to take sharper faster images than the M. You boys just need to man up and hit the gym and stop winging about how big /small it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkgmatt Posted October 21, 2015 Share #106 Posted October 21, 2015 I think that most of you have entirely missed who the market is for this camera. While many of you have come to Leica since the M8 was introduced, the R series cameras had a loyal following for thirty years and there are THOUSANDS of them still in service with a fleet of R-mount lenses. This camera was promised to those folks when Leica discontinued the R9 back in 2009. Yet the R to SL adapter will only become available at the end of 2016. Until then you will need to combine two adapters from the M and the T system to use your R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 21, 2015 Share #107 Posted October 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Either way. Big small fat thin it's still going to take sharper faster images than the M. You boys just need to man up and hit the gym and stop winging about how big /small it is ...says the he-man who found the S too heavy There is little difference in weight between an S+70mm and SL+Zoom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 21, 2015 Share #108 Posted October 21, 2015 Hahahhaaha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted October 21, 2015 Share #109 Posted October 21, 2015 Here is an approximate camera body size comparison -- D810 in the back, SL in the middle, and A7RII on top. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/251825-first-images-of-the-new-sl/?do=findComment&comment=2909209'>More sharing options...
sdw Posted October 21, 2015 Share #110 Posted October 21, 2015 I'm not too disturbed by similarities with the A7 series or the weight and size, but the design is just absolutely awful. The more I see images of it in people's hands, the more offensive it looks. Seems like a prototype, not a final design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 21, 2015 Share #111 Posted October 21, 2015 The D800 looks great by the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 21, 2015 Share #112 Posted October 21, 2015 I'm not too disturbed by similarities with the A7 series or the weight and size, but the design is just absolutely awful. The more I see images of it in people's hands, the more offensive it looks. Seems like a prototype, not a final design. Really? I don't particularly mind it. With the zoom on it, it looks pretty good. If the mount is that big, the AF stabilised lens is also going to be big. Size is not the driving factor here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 21, 2015 Share #113 Posted October 21, 2015 It's the 'it's new and I have to revolt over it' thing that's going on here... M purists for you. Lots didn't like the R8/9 design Lots didn't like the M5 design Lots didn't like the S2 design It seems that Leica fans only like the M3 design I don't really care what it looks like, I love how my S handles, and my R8, and my M 240... I bet the SL will handle fine, especially with the similarities with the S on the back of the camera, same 4 buttons, same joystick, same scroll wheel. Etc. Seems like a good camera. Specs are fine too. Lenses look great, especially the 90-280! And the 50 is gonna be great to I am sure. They used enough room there to make it match the optical quality of the S lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 21, 2015 Share #114 Posted October 21, 2015 I look forward to getting my hands on one, I am mostly sure I will buy it. I like the size and the design, the platform complements my M very well, adds functionality and tools that were needed and the lenses are interchangable, it will work with my other brand lenses too. Total visual cohesion across all platforms and disciplines, including motion, opening up further possibilities with 10 bit 4K with M and S and C lenses. This is a super futuristic design from Leica and most importantly a complete eco system. Of corse, I want to bump up the MP but I guess that will come in time. But I am also close to selling my Phase Kit and jump into the S, spanning all my lenses across multiple platforms and disciplines finally getting a visual cohesion I've never heard of, let alone experienced. Something that has been an issue in the past. I'm feeling giddy about it! Count me in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 21, 2015 Share #115 Posted October 21, 2015 Interestingly, I think a lot of us might have been thinking differently if the M adapter had been immediately available and testing had been done using these lenses rather than the AF monsters that we've seen thus far. I have the sneaking feeling that the SL might begin to make sense if the large zooms are seen as occasional tools and the M lenses are seen as the go for kit. If performance with M wides is good AND if long M lenses like the 135 A-T are easy to focus manually with the view finder, then the SL COULD be seen as a useful adjunct to an M. Carry an M-240 + an SL along with either existing R 80-200 or equivalent and you have a viable two body system with better reach than the M alone + the capacity to shoot 4K video. Shell out for the dedicated lenses later on if you feel the need (or maybe even find that there are adapters which will let you use Canon/Nikon zooms with the Leica SL body... All a bit hypothetical for the moment, but I WILL be interested to see reviews of M lens performance on this body (and I AM interested to see if the EVF technology Leica have developed for the SL can be brought across to whatever replaces the M240 (probably as an external Viso). Certainly interesting times... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted October 21, 2015 Share #116 Posted October 21, 2015 It's the 'it's new and I have to revolt over it' thing that's going on here... M purists for you. That's one way of looking at it. Another way of looking at it (my way) is that the optomechanical rangefinder and legacy form-factor of the M is the only thing Leica has to offer which mitigates their high prices, dodgy reliability record, and snail-slow repair operations. So far the only product line that Leica has had more than limited success with is the M line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 21, 2015 Share #117 Posted October 21, 2015 The S repair time is significantly better compared to the M line. Shipped and back within one week! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 21, 2015 Share #118 Posted October 21, 2015 Once the new Summilux's roll in with Otus beating IQ and af, and the new Noctilux too, things are going to get very interesting. Lens quality that does not need to fit within the parameters of the small bodied M can be truly optimised, and the success of the Otus lenses is a good indication of, what I believe, will be a great reception to the new line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted October 21, 2015 Share #119 Posted October 21, 2015 Why would you put a double card slot on a camera for amateur market? Same reason as it's on Pro cameras. I realise my livelihood doesn't depend on it but if I've travelled half way round the world to photograph something specific I would hate for a card to fail and me return with no images. That's one thing I do like about my D800. As to the SL; I do like what I see technically, but will not be in the market. I use and love the M and Monochrom 246 and over 95% of my images are shot on them. The D800 (backed up by a D700) cope wonderfully well when I need telephoto and so I cannot see any point in selling those, plus the lenses to replace them with the SL. As for looks; I can take it or leave it as I'm more interested in image quality. Hopefully the SL will be a great success for Leica. Regards, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted October 21, 2015 Share #120 Posted October 21, 2015 I would get one as a back-up to my R9/DMR (if I could afford it!) John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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