Goobye Leica and friends

[Guest stnami]

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:D :D Time to move............ gone Leica and friends hello Sony HVR-V1U HDV................... The Pitchman: Frame Grabs

[woodda]

Interesting ideas and I am sure it will catch on. All I would say initially is I would hate to trawl throught long films to catch that one frame or is that any worse that the increasing frames we take on digital. Time is short. However the quality is still not as good as true still digital I would suggest

 

Regards

[Guest stnami]

.......... the ship is listing in the photojournalist print game, time to join the rats abandoning..............???

[hankg]

Interesting ideas and I am sure it will catch on. All I would say initially is I would hate to trawl throught long films to catch that one frame or is that any worse that the increasing frames we take on digital. Time is short. However the quality is still not as good as true still digital I would suggest

 

Regards

 

For the purposes of newspaper reproduction it is. First it was auto focus and motorized frame rates on still cameras, then came digital. The HD video cam is the next logical step.

 

At 12MP per frame the Red One looks like the future: RED / Technology

 

Audio, video and stills when you want them. Just another recording media that allows you to capture more information in a real time stream. It will be some time before the quality, size and price make an HD camera a suitable replacement for say a Canon 1D but for newspaper reproduction where 4MP is really enough current technology is already good enough.

 

Eventually you will be able to save everything that you have seen and heard and pull what you want from the data stream. Already the most news worthy pictures come from John Q. Public's eyewitness camera phone or DV images. The pro's often are relegated to providing a record of the aftermath and context.

[Guest stnami]

I would have second thoughts about taking our dear friend red in a shootin and hollering zone............................I really wonder how much content Joe public wants and what quality. the kids use their mobiles and basically look and delete.

Most of the stuff I put on the net is derived from Lightoom presets etc and a real tiff or photoshop file does not exist. The post processed images and placed on my site as jpegs and then discarded, basically I have no record of my images except in their original RAW form. I needed a few for a invite at higher resolutions had to make a new ones , weren't the same though,...... as I say same same but different

 

So may as well use a video.........post process and discard, I dumb down the resolution anyway

[hankg]

I would have second thoughts about taking our dear friend red in a shootin and hollering zone..........

 

Leica and Canon 1 isn't cheap wither. But it's early days and the price of Red is intended for Steven Spielberg budgets right now but that will change

 

The post processed images and placed on my site as jpegs and then discarded, basically I have no record of my images except in their original RAW form. I needed a few for a invite at higher resolutions had to make a new ones , weren't the same though,...... as I say same same but different

 

So may as well use a video.........post process and discard, I dumb down the resolution anyway

 

It's actually something to consider. I've seen your site and I like your work -it strikes me as not being dependent on resolution and the usual parameters of 'quality'. You might give DV a try. Instead of RAW you'll have video to source from and the option of adding an audio stream (and maybe even video clips) together with stills. You might hate it or you might love it.

[Guest stnami]

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not being dependent on resolution and the usual parameters of 'quality'

.. yea but I do start with fairly high res files,and need them that way to get the images how they are, so in a way I am back to square one.

Though a high res video unit would be the go, then there is the size, I doubt the thing will fit up my jacket sleave and the subjects' respone will alter as well. As a photojournalist covering people hell bent on killing themseves and others it's got to be the future.Hey the red will be right at home with all it's red optics boom boom

[billh]

This is fascinating technology, and it is a very long way from my days with Nikon Fs and M4s using Tri-X in HC-110, dil A - but it looked fine in the papers of the day.

 

Is the 12MP image equivalent to that of a Canon 5D? I use a 1Ds2 and 1D2 for a lot of action shots,

 

http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/Bouvier%20activities/Niko-snow,%2313.jpg (film, actually - in a Nikon)

 

http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/Bouvier%20activities/Niko-diving,ISO800,7677.jpg (1D2)

 

and for bird photography - even stills would be easier because the optimum time to capture a good shot, where light, pose, and presence all come together is available in a very, very brief snippet of time.

 

http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/180-300/Osprey,5489.jpg

 

If the image quality is as good as that from one of the good digital still cameras, this technology will surely find applications in areas besides news coverage.

[jrc]

May not be as useful for photojournalism as you might think -- the new multi-shot Canon, for instance, might be better. The key thing in action photography is to be able to see what's going on before and after the shot -- and you can't see what's going on if your eye is constantly pressed to a viewfinder. In other words, when you're shooting action news (as opposed to more static stuff at press conferences, etc.) you actually watch what is going on, and only put the camera up to your face for the shot; and when the camera is up to your face, you can't see much of what else is happening. So if you watch a good PJ working a riot or a fire or whatever, they look and look and look and then they shoot quickly and then they start looking again.

 

The place this camera would be most useful is for sports, where you can anticipate the moment the action starts, and then shoot a whole sequence so you get the precise moment when the ball comes off the basketball player's fingers, or the bat hits the ball, ect. Even then, if your eye is pressed to a viewfinder, you better anticipate the right receiver for a pass or you'll miss the shot...

[hankg]

It is early days and we are a long way from the quality, size and price of a DSLR or M8. JRC makes a good point about keeping a 360deg view then capturing the moment. But there was a time when a pj would come back with a few frames using a camera with an RF finder that allowed him to see while he worked. Now pj's come back with gigabytes of images and view the action through the tunnel and restricted DoF view of auto-everything DSLR's. There are plenty of journalists using video now and I'm sure those that are successful work out methods of following the action.

 

I don't see me using DV in my lifetime but I'm a lot older then some here.

[Guest stnami]

As screen based media replaces print so will the still camera be replaced. You only have to have a look at the number of hits that You Tube gets it really shows that the short video is king.......... this is not going unnoticed by the print media and most are scrambling onto the screen.

I watch the kids shoot great stuff without looking at the screen using vcs,they know their gear, I never grew up with it but they are out now and media savy in all aspects. A lot of them put together 30 second shoots requiring minimum editing, make us so called experienced media types look very pedestrian and good on them it's wonderfull stuff both visually and in concept

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Might be time to invest in even larger hard drives , this will kill us. LOL

 

Seriously though it is very interesting to watch this all unfold within the next couple years as the quality keeps going up and the hardware gets smaller and smaller. For many things this has real working possibilities there is no doubt about that and we will see a lot more uses for it and such. Right now it may not have the mass appeal but if things keep growing like this and it gets better and better at news and sporting events we may see less and less still camera's. Not my type of machine gun shooting but with the new Canon 1dMKIII coming out at 10 fps per second things will change in they way many of this types of shooters work. The editing would kill me. LOL

[dcoombs]

As Hollinger's shots so aptly demonstrate, this is a natural for wildlife photography. That is often about action and getting the exact moment. May my Canon FD equipment rest in peace...

 

Doug

[billh]

How about this?

 

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-7899-8616

[AlanG]

I carried a little p&s while skiing in Italy last year. I got some nice stills although they're not exactly thrilling. One of my favorite memories was when I was on a tram and a group of Italian men started singing together. I switched to video with sound and filmed it. This truly captured the moment and is much more interesting than any still images would have been.

 

It is simply amazing to me how well a tiny inexpensive camera (with IS) can capture video and sound so effortlessly. (I used to own a Bolex 16mm outfit.)

[fotografr]

............. yea but I do start with fairly high res files,and need them that way to get the images how they are, so in a way I am back to square one.

Though a high res video unit would be the go, then there is the size, I doubt the thing will fit up my jacket sleave and the subjects' respone will alter as well. As a photojournalist covering people hell bent on killing themseves and others it's got to be the future.Hey the red will be right at home with all it's red optics boom boom

 

Looks to be a lot bigger and probably more expensive than my M8. Good luck with it.

[gogopix]

Although the concept is great, even at screen sizes (96 dpi) these images look flat and soft (fuzzy in fact).

 

Now, when you get 2x the RED resolution, 1/1000 sec shutters, Leica or Zeiss glass and it can produce a real 20x30 image (inches, not cm or mm :-) ; call me - my check book is open

 

Oh, and I do assume it will be no larger than MF gear, though RF (Leica M) size would be better

 

LOL

[Guest stnami]

Bill soundslides is great I have been using it for a while.

The kids don't care about historic cameras like leica and they will not pay but a vc with good resolution. I have a workshops going for 10 year olds we went to video mode first , then stills, they knew what was interesting to them

In the end a single device you need which can do motion, sound, stills is going to win out. too far away???????................... thats what was said about digital

[ron110n]

Like salmons they go back to where they were born.

 

And the idea came from someone watching a family video and pause the show for a pee.

He came back and AHA!!! I can make a digital camera out of this!!!

 

One day that Sony will fit our pocket like a D-Lux.

If you don't make a living out of it like me...

The next struggle is making it fit your budget.

 

 

-Ron

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Hallo,

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[adi sudarsono]

Aaah, another pixel race. Maybe not HD yet but Panasonic does make some very good video cams. This may be good news for Panaleica.