fotohuis Posted September 19, 2015 Share #1 Posted September 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) A new small project: Kodak 5222 Double-X in my M7. http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/Kodak/motion/Products/Camera_Films/BW_Negative/Technical_Data/5222_ti0299.pdf Kodak 5222: Daylight: iso 250 Tungsten light: iso 200 Finer grain compared with Tri-X 400 Higher resolution then Tri-X 400 Available in 122m/400ft or S/E. The coming week I will play around a bit with this (cine) film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 19, 2015 Posted September 19, 2015 Hi fotohuis, Take a look here Kodak 5222 Double-X in my Leica M7. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Paul Verrips Posted September 20, 2015 Share #2 Posted September 20, 2015 Robert, you have my attention! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 20, 2015 Share #3 Posted September 20, 2015 Are you going to process in D96? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted September 20, 2015 There are many good developer combinations for Double-X. D-96 is not very different comparing to D-76. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted September 20, 2015 Share #5 Posted September 20, 2015 There are many good developer combinations for Double-X. D-96 is not very different comparing to D-76. But D-96 can, with replenishment, be used for a long time and it still gives lovely results with Double-X. If you care, there's a monstrously long Dbl-X thread over on rangefinderforum where you can find the recipes for both D-96 and D-96R. They are my first effort mixing from scratch and it's a blast, in part because I got to buy yet another thing for my darkroom. A scale. I also have some negs that were souped in HC-110 and they too have my current "look". s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 20, 2015 Share #6 Posted September 20, 2015 D-96 is an industrial developer which means it is consistent with replenishment in large lot development. We do not need it in our small batches. Regardless, I am curious. In a similar regard I do not see how using cine B&W film could lead to anything significant UNLESS it behaves like Plus-X ! Let us know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted September 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Double-X 5222 is the cine version of the discontinued Plus-X from Kodak Eastman. I know the thread on the RFF under film. And about developers: http://shop.fotohuisrovo.nl/index.php?cPath=31_37&language=en Beutler, Microdol-X, TDLC-103 and Windisch W665 I am making myself from scratch. Diafine, Microphen I have mixed on the shelf now and R09/Rodinal and HC-110 are my regular developers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted September 21, 2015 OK, ready to go: 30m XX loaded in my AP loader. Also with Kodak Eastman you can use the standard 25mm core in the reel. The AP daylight loader is a very handy film loader with a short connection to the 35mm cassette. Time to re-install my test bear with some test charts. Because I am a darkroom mouse the results will be wet prints in split grade and then in the V500 Epson scanner. I am working with a Dunco II 67 120 pro enlarger with Rodenstock Rodagon optics. I have also a TRDZ densitometer for control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted September 22, 2015 The first strips are hanging to dry. XX E.I. 200-250 HC-110 1+31, 6:00 minutes, XX E.I. 320-400 HC-110 1+31, 6:30 minutes and XX E.I. 800 Microphen 1+0 10:00 minutes. I have three Jobo 1510 tanks for this tests and on one 135-36 film I put some small stickers on the film surface when I am changing speeds on the M7 light meter. So when putting in a 1501 Jobo reel I feel where I have to cut. I have used my Summicron F/2,0-50mm for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted September 22, 2015 Share #10 Posted September 22, 2015 One can buy rolls from the Film Photography Project. My question is XX different enough in grain and tonal quality from Ilford FP4+? Trying to understand what is the outstanding unique quality of XX? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted September 22, 2015 Share #11 Posted September 22, 2015 Good question, an attraction for me with FP4+ is the potential to expose it at EI 200 under certain situations and development regimes potentially making it a general purpose outdoor film for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share #12 Posted September 22, 2015 You can not use FP4+ on E.I. 800, at least not with severe quality loss. This XX film is flexible from iso 200-800 and with an ultra fine grain type developer you can use it without limitation on iso 100 too. It is like Tri-X 400 a very flexible film. Prints will follow tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted September 23, 2015 Share #13 Posted September 23, 2015 Thanks both. I understand now the ISO flexibility but if I shoot both at their native ISO. 125 and 250 is there a difference in grain and tonal range? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted September 23, 2015 XX in HC-110 (1+31) for 6:00 minutes (20C), E.I. 200. M7+Summicron 50mm on F/4. XX in HC-110 (1+31) for 6:30 minutes (20C), E.I. 400. M7+Summicron 50mm on F/4. XX in Microphen 1+0 for 10:00 minutes (20C), E.I. 800. M7+Summicron 50mm on F/4. Conclusion: This is a very flexible film suitable from iso 100-800 (1600), a first class Kodak product. It dries flat too and it is very easy to (Split Grade) print. Some measurements on the Grey card, zone V: iso 200 0,72 logD, right on the spott! iso 400 0,64 logD. iso 800 0,78 logD. The characteristics are like Plus-X, Tri-X, double speed comparing with Plus-X (maybe hence the name Double-X) and not much less speed then the famous Kodak Tri-X 400. In price, when you can get S/E it is a very interesting film. Also available in 135-36 (pre-loaded) at some addresses in Europe and the USA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Verrips Posted September 23, 2015 Share #15 Posted September 23, 2015 Thank you for showing these results! Do you have an example from 100 ASA ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted September 23, 2015 Not yet but I will do also an ultra fine grain developer for this 5222 Kodak film on E.I. 100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted September 30, 2015 OK, the test strips are hanging to dry. M7 + Elmarit 21mm with this Kodak 5222 Double-X film E.I. 100 developed in Windisch W665 ultra fine grain type developer, a kind of 777 panthermic. Only not para- Phenylene Diamine is used but ortho- Phenylene Diamine to get the minimum grain. After the fixer you make a wash and then an extra step in 2%-3% HAc (Acetic Acid) or 2%-3% HCl (Hydrochloric Acid) to remove the solarisation layer and get that super fine grain. Then you can wash the film according the ilford wash method. Because I have a Heiland TAS film processor, this extra step is a neglectible extra work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted September 30, 2015 The old flyer. The new is according GHS symbols. I have used 11:00 minutes (20C) for this XX film exposed on E.I. 100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share #19 Posted September 30, 2015 XX E.I. 100 in W665 1+0 11 minutes (20C). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted October 1, 2015 Another one, same data: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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