Leica programmers should all be ashamed of the complete shambles of metadata they have created

[Kwesi]

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Thousands of images and I have never had a problem with it.

Could it be that you never erase the card?

if you do and you use Lightroom to catalogue your files(DNG) then you have a collectible M240

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[jdlaing]

Could it be that you never erase the card?

if you do and you use Lightroom to catalogue your files(DNG) then you have a collectible M240

I format the card every single time in the camera. I,don't use Lightroom to catalog the files. When I export the finished files I put them into folders. Lightroom keeps a directory of all the DNG's by date all by itself. And backs them up once a week.

[CheshireCat]

I format the card every single time in the camera. I,don't use Lightroom to catalog the files. When I export the finished files I put them into folders. Lightroom keeps a directory of all the DNG's by date all by itself. And backs them up once a week.

 

Same here.

 

The original problem here is cameras (from all brands) still blindly following the idiotic CP-3461 standard.

However, to be fair, it must be said that this standard helps a lot if you need to display your images on a 8086 PC running MSDOS 5.

 

The problem is worked around by means of a unique ID embedded in the image file, but any sane person knows that this will require years for Leica to fix (actually, to understand, as the fix is a couple lines of code).

[scott kirkpatrick]

Back in the M8 days, complaints about incomplete meta data fell to the very bottom of the response queue.  This meant things like missing entries in the 6-bit (plus two for lens mount tab) table which left f/3.4 lenses showing an aperture of 1.0.  Leica's response was to encrypt the M9 firmware so that we couldn't point out the missing table entries.  I think the basic attitude was "full speed ahead, software's not our thing..."  I can understand but I don't sympathize.

 

scott

[jaapv]

The firmware on the M8 and M9 was outsourced to  Jenoptic, who, as a leading optical/digital defense contractor can be assumed to know what they are about.

The current firmware is produced by Leica as far as I know. It is interesting to note that user complaints are on the same level.

 

Still , the reason for scrambling the actuation number is unknown. If it was done to accommodate programming in other sections of the software, it is quite possible that changing the numbering system is far more than "just a few lines of script".

 

I guess we'll never know, as the M240 is close to being a done deal, with only database updates to be expected.

I do hope the next iteration will revert to sequential numbering, though.

[CheshireCat]

the reason for scrambling the actuation number is unknown. If it was done to accommodate programming in other sections of the software, it is quite possible that changing the numbering system is far more than "just a few lines of script".

 

We don't know the reason, but we can easily guess: if users know the "actuation number" the price of many used Leica cameras will go down.

 

Trust me, a good-enough "numbering system" ("unique id" is more appropriate) that does not even use the number of actuations, requires just a couple lines of code.

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...Trust me ..

[jaapv]

We don't know the reason, but we can easily guess: if users know the "actuation number" the price of many used Leica cameras will go down.

 

Trust me, a good-enough "numbering system" ("unique id" is more appropriate) that does not even use the number of actuations, requires just a couple lines of code.

Really? I thought many used Leica cameras were used for display and posing, not for taking photographs. Seriously, normally the number of actuations (unless extreme) has little influence on used prices. Cosmetic state is more important. And what interest would Leica have?

[CheshireCat]

Cosmetic state is more important. And what interest would Leica have?

 

Then it actually means that most people use Leicas for display and posing

Any company wants used prices to stay high, so people are more inclined to buy new.

[CheshireCat]

 

Feel free to demonstrate the contrary.

[jaapv]

Then it actually means that most people use Leicas for display and posing

Any company wants used prices to stay high, so people are more inclined to buy new.

Nope. If they are low, more outsiders will buy into the system leading to more future sales. Leica regards used cameras as entry-level gear.

[CheshireCat]

Nope. If they are low, more outsiders will buy into the system leading to more future sales. Leica regards used cameras as entry-level gear.

 

Uhm.. don't think this applies to Leica. Not many people have more than a pair of Leica lenses (often used).

And then there is CV and Zeiss.

If what you said was true, then Leica would have much lower new body prices.

[Peter Kilmister]

Dear CheshireCat,

I hope you don't mind me asking how many pieces of Leica equipment you actually own?

Should you ask the question of me, I'd be happy to answer.

 

If you show me yours, then I'll show you mine.

[CheshireCat]

Dear CheshireCat,

I hope you don't mind me asking how many pieces of Leica equipment you actually own?

Should you ask the question of me, I'd be happy to answer.

 

If you show me yours, then I'll show you mine.

 

More than a pair of lenses (some bought used), and that's excluding my R cameras and lenses.

However, I don't think I am the average Leica user.

[Peter Kilmister]

Dear Cheshire Cat,

You are posting in the M240 section. Do you own an M240?

[CheshireCat]

Dear Cheshire Cat,

You are posting in the M240 section. Do you own an M240?

 

Please, not again. Are you the husband of billinghambaglady ?

If you had carefully read my > 2000 posts in this forum, instead of posting insinuations, you would have no doubt.

 

And then again, I don't see why one needs to own a M240 to post on the M240 section.

 

Oh, and don't call me "dear". Thank you.

[jaapv]

Uhm.. don't think this applies to Leica. Not many people have more than a pair of Leica lenses (often used).

And then there is CV and Zeiss.

If what you said was true, then Leica would have much lower new body prices.

I don't know where you get your numbers from. most Leica owners I know have lenses ranging from five to twentyfive.

I don't attach any statistical value to that, nor should you to yours.

[CheshireCat]

I don't know where you get your numbers from. most Leica owners I know have lenses ranging from five to twentyfive.

I don't attach any statistical value to that, nor should you to yours.

 

I only know a few Leica owners.

We should make a poll on the forum. That would be interesting.

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[jaapv]

Let's see, 23 Leica lenses including R and V mount, a round dozen other brand (Zeiss, Voigtländer, Canon and a few exotic ones) 4 fixed-lens Leica and Panaleica, I think that puts me a bit above average

[Jeff S]

 

We should make a poll on the forum. That would be interesting.

Question comes up frequently....one recent thread....   http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247166-which-m-lenses-do-you-own/

 

In a very old discussion, a couple of folks had 70-80+ lenses, as I recall.  Most respondents seemed to have more like 5 or less.

 

Jeff