jaapv Posted September 3, 2015 Share #21 Posted September 3, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ah- but the M20 turns African people blue... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Now that the sensor issue on M9 is resolved ,how many of you would go BACK ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
IkarusJohn Posted September 3, 2015 Share #22 Posted September 3, 2015 I find it amazing that people were not able to extend the credit of Leica being true to their word, not even for a year. I would say that Leica/Leitz has been behaving ethically for well over a century, that heritage is not easily put aside. Besides, if a company makes a public promise and fails to deliver, it can be held liable - at least in Europe. (As an aside - the "upgrade to anther model" strategy was not a deliberate policy, it was a last resort to stand by their customers in an impossible situation - not even of Leica's own making.) This is very true, though it took a lot of very public pressure here and the intervention of Stefan Daniel for Leica to remember that heritage. They came to the party and did the right thing ... eventually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnew Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share #23 Posted September 3, 2015 As to the difference between the M9 and the M240, I will agree that the M240 is the more sophisticated camera by far and it fills my needs perfectly, but using the M9 brings a bigger smile to my face... Thanks, you have well expressed the dilemma. We must recognize Leica's thoroughness to its customers by taking up a new development to clear a fatal defect discovered after launch of M9 , and will ensure a longer lifetime for this product. My view now, is that these two cameras (M9 and 240) will not be mutually exclusive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted September 3, 2015 Share #24 Posted September 3, 2015 I would not go back to M9 as the M240 suits my needs better. Some people prefer the new features and some don't. I do. The slamming shut sceen door shutter on the M9 is certainly not something I miss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted September 3, 2015 Share #25 Posted September 3, 2015 I would not go back. I like just one battery type and charger for both the 240 and 246 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted September 3, 2015 Share #26 Posted September 3, 2015 I worked with the M9 for three years. For me, it was a fine camera but always an "uneasy truce"—I couldn't get comfortable with its sluggish feel, the weird colors it produces on AWB, the miserly battery capacity, etc. I nearly gave up on it and sold it several times. I had to think long and hard when the sensor needed replacement as to whether I wanted to continue with Leica. I decided to go for the M-P typ 240 upgrade. The M-P has completely rejuvenated my interest in using Leica M cameras. It's responsive, the out-of-camera results are massively more to my liking, the files are very editable, etc etc. So, no going back to an M9 for me. Ever. The M/M-P typ 240 achieve the digital M that I was hoping for when I bought the M9. Sometime next year, I'll complement it with the MM246. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 4, 2015 Share #27 Posted September 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find it amazing that people were not able to extend the credit of Leica being true to their word, not even for a year. I would say that Leica/Leitz has been behaving ethically for well over a century, that heritage is not easily put aside. Besides, if a company makes a public promise and fails to deliver, it can be held liable - at least in Europe. (As an aside - the "upgrade to anther model" strategy was not a deliberate policy, it was a last resort to stand by their customers in an impossible situation - not even of Leica's own making.) In my case it was purely a matter of the M240 being an appealing upgrade for me in two significant respects (shutter, jpg quality), my M9 could still fetch a pretty penny on resale, and an M240 demo presented itself at an irresistible price. As to Leica's strategy with the M8 vs M9, I suspect Leica was able to press the sensor manufacturer contractually into sharing or bearing entirely the cost of revamping it; whereas they may not have had such an avenue wrt the M8's LCD. Leica has indeed behaved admirably in terms of customer care. If I believed Leica was not to be trusted I certainly would not have bought one M240 let alone two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 4, 2015 Share #28 Posted September 4, 2015 Ah- but the M20 turns African people blue... Not jpegs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 4, 2015 Share #29 Posted September 4, 2015 This is very true, though it took a lot of very public pressure here and the intervention of Stefan Daniel for Leica to remember that heritage. They came to the party and did the right thing ... eventually I'm not sure, public pressure probably helped but it may well have been stalling until Mr. Kaufman (and Mr. Daniel) knocked some sense into the other financiers. (full speculation!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 4, 2015 Share #30 Posted September 4, 2015 The only thing I find better with the M9 is the lower color shading with same lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 4, 2015 Share #31 Posted September 4, 2015 I'm not sure, public pressure probably helped but it may well have been stalling until Mr. Kaufman (and Mr. Daniel) knocked some sense into the other financiers. (full speculation!) Come now, Jaap. Surely there's a limit to how far even you can spin this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 4, 2015 Share #32 Posted September 4, 2015 Come now, Jaap. Surely there's a limit to how far even you can spin this! Do you want to bet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted September 4, 2015 Share #33 Posted September 4, 2015 I go on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 4, 2015 Share #34 Posted September 4, 2015 Come now, Jaap. Surely there's a limit to how far even you can spin this! :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted September 5, 2015 Share #35 Posted September 5, 2015 I've had my MP240 for four weeks now and I'm loving it, fond though I was of my M9P - my first Leica, bought second-hand. It gave me superb pictures in good light and at low ISO, but otherwise could be very frustrating. It had developed the sensor problem, and Leica's upgrade offer, plus the recent £500 discount, was irresistible. At first I was very disappointed with what came out of the 240, but after much Lightroom research on the web and some experimenting, I am now getting results from it which seem to me to be as good as from the M9 - so no going back for me. I can use it simply, much like the M9, which I do most of the time, or I can use the bells and whistles when they are helpful - the best of both worlds. It's a superb camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted September 6, 2015 Share #36 Posted September 6, 2015 Ah- but the M20 turns African people blue... How are African and caucasian skin tones if the Adobe Profile Editor is used to set up colors? I find it gets rid of the overly saturated too bright green that all Nikons produce. It also straightens out the Leica engineered colors of the M8. BTW. Fujicolor films are the same with greens. I think it is an asian preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 6, 2015 Share #37 Posted September 6, 2015 At first I was very disappointed with what came out of the 240, but after much Lightroom research on the web and some experimenting, I am now getting results from it which seem to me to be as good as from the M9 I had just the opposite experience. Used to take shooting raw and PP to get M9 files to look as good as the default jpegs from the M240. I'd chalk it up to sample variation except I have 2 M240's and the output is indentical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted September 6, 2015 Share #38 Posted September 6, 2015 I had just the opposite experience. Used to take shooting raw and PP to get M9 files to look as good as the default jpegs from the M240. I'd chalk it up to sample variation except I have 2 M240's and the output is indentical. Sorry, I wasn't clear - I've never used jpegs from either camera, I was comparing the results from the dng files of both cameras after pp in Lightroom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 6, 2015 Share #39 Posted September 6, 2015 How are African and caucasian skin tones if the Adobe Profile Editor is used to set up colors? I find it gets rid of the overly saturated too bright green that all Nikons produce. It also straightens out the Leica engineered colors of the M8. BTW. Fujicolor films are the same with greens. I think it is an asian preference. Better - but yellow and magenta will continue to raise their head in Caucasian skin and blue in African. I once wrote a post on it - I'll have to find it- it is about metamerism, skin anatomy and our brain's ability to filter colour which the camera lacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 6, 2015 Share #40 Posted September 6, 2015 Sorry, I wasn't clear - I've never used jpegs from either camera, I was comparing the results from the dng files of both cameras after pp in Lightroom. My experience is the same as Bocaburger's - the DNG files from the M(240) require far less processing that from the M9. Clearly, it depends on your preference for the end result. Whatever the M(240) does to the files, it's very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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