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[ZHNL]

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70mm Summarit S006

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[Deliberate1]

70mm Summarit S006

I knew instantly, and before reading your designation, that this image was taken with the 006 and 70mm. It is, lterally, a poster child for this combination, which I have used for 90% of my own work during the past three years. As the new owner of a new 007, I hope that I can replicate that same magic in LR and PS. Edited September 18, 2018 by Deliberate1

[helged]

I knew instantly, and before reading your designation, that this image was taken with the 006 and 70mm. It is, lterally, a poster child for this combination, which I have used for 90% of my own work during the past three years. As the new owner of a new 007, I hope that I can replicate that same magic in LR and PS.

 

 

That's quite a compliment for the artist ZHNL, and the S006+70mm combo! And without having any experience with the 007, I do adore the 006, particularly in situations without too strong/excessive highlights/shadows.

[mgrayson3]

Software tries to preserve highlights and shadows. That makes default processing of 006 and 007 files look different. It’s not hard to find settings for 007 files so that they closely match 006. I still have both, so I should post a demo/tutorial...

 

007 and X1D default processing are much more dissimilar. The X1D has more color saturation contrast, and it takes a trip to PS to get them close.

[Deliberate1]

Software tries to preserve highlights and shadows. That makes default processing of 006 and 007 files look different. It’s not hard to find settings for 007 files so that they closely match 006. I still have both, so I should post a demo/tutorial...

 

007 and X1D default processing are much more dissimilar. The X1D has more color saturation contrast, and it takes a trip to PS to get them close.

 

I would be very interested to see your work flow. 

Personally, I begin the work in LR, which I think does a better job with color/tonal adjustment. I then move to PS for more aggressive work.

David

[helged]

Software tries to preserve highlights and shadows. That makes default processing of 006 and 007 files look different. It’s not hard to find settings for 007 files so that they closely match 006. I still have both, so I should post a demo/tutorial...

 

007 and X1D default processing are much more dissimilar. The X1D has more color saturation contrast, and it takes a trip to PS to get them close.

+1 for a demo/tutorial!

[mgrayson3]

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Ok.. Quick example. Everything done with the Adobe Standard Profile. This makes a HUGE difference. Comparing, e.g.,  Adobe Color Profile output would not be the same at all.

 

Here's some pottery illuminated by a 3500K bulb, S(006), 70mm @ f/8

 

 

Here is the same with the S(007), same color temperature

 

 

Adjust color temp (3300K, -3)

 

 

Now boost saturation for the reds

 

 

And desaturate and lighten the yellows

 

 

and here's the S(006) version again

 

 

Sometimes, messing with contrast, and vibrance helps. If there were more color saturation gradients, more tricks would be needed.

 

Best,

 

Matt

 

PS. I shot it with the X1D and 90mm and simply setting contrast to -55 and adjusting exposure (with the color temp at 3500K) got pretty close to S(006). I didn't have exactly the same setup. If I get a better subject, I'll try all three cameras.

Edited September 18, 2018 by mgrayson3

[ZHNL]

Thanks you all for the comments and thanks for Matt take time to do the illustration to match S006 and S007. 

 

First of all, 70mm is my favorite S glass, mainly because of focal length but also It has right balance of sharpness and smoothness. It has very beautiful bokeh.  

 

And for the above image, I wouldn't worry that S007 can't get as good even there might be slightly difference because there is really no right or wrong in terms color shown in the images. That was a simple scene with soft light and simple color range. It is very easy to tweak color spectrum without mess up things as there is no much other color than yellow orange.   

 

Hi, Matt, in your case, what you did was trying to match strong prime color at first order level.  Once yellow, red or blue are in the bar park, the results are good enough for matching them.  It will not be as easy task trying to match skin tone that a mix of multiple color spectrum with different luminosity captured. (One of most complicated color matching process as we human is very sensitive to it, at least to me)

 

As I mentioned, this is hardware level difference, tweak with software will not be satisfied fully. If you don’t capture enough orange hue to begin with, boost or tweak with hue, saturation and luminosity will only make images noise and fake and screw up other color reproduction. To illustrate to extreme level, it like use tone control and mixer to recreate Steinway and Sons grand piano, you certainly can make it close enough at certain region, but it is extremely complicated process to match under all spectrum if it is possible at all.

 

I don’t want make a big deal of it. I will just say I have a strong PERSONAL preference on S006 skin tone reproduction to end the dialogue. For other stuff, it is not as important, at least to me.

[mgrayson3]

the piano analogy is a good one. But a professional pianist CAN make almost any piano sound how they want it to. When I first shopped for a grand with my professional sister-in-law, every piano she played sounded the same. When she said “This one!”, it was because it was the easiest on which to get it right.

 

I agree that the 006 has the best skin tone OOC. But a good color pro can get what they want from almost any decent camera. My example was deliberately simple. I’ll try flowers or skin when I have appropriate subjects.

 

And finally, an example is worth a lot of words.

Edited September 18, 2018 by mgrayson3

[ZHNL]

Sorry I can’t provide examples as I will not use my family as such test targets. I took lots of images under all conditions though, I know what I am talking about.

 

So it has to be talk only. I really don’t care what others think on this matter. It is important and only important for end user. In other thread, people said there is no real difference to them, it is good for them, truly from my heart.

[ZHNL]

Delete double post.

Edited September 18, 2018 by ZHNL

[Milan_S]

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Leica S007 w/ Summarit-S 70mm CS

 

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Thanks you all for the comments and thanks for Matt take time to do the illustration to match S006 and S007.

 

First of all, 70mm is my favorite S glass, mainly because of focal length but also It has right balance of sharpness and smoothness. It has very beautiful bokeh.

 

And for the above image, I wouldn't worry that S007 can't get as good even there might be slightly difference because there is really no right or wrong in terms color shown in the images. That was a simple scene with soft light and simple color range. It is very easy to tweak color spectrum without mess up things as there is no much other color than yellow orange.

 

Hi, Matt, in your case, what you did was trying to match strong prime color at first order level. Once yellow, red or blue are in the bar park, the results are good enough for matching them. It will not be as easy task trying to match skin tone that a mix of multiple color spectrum with different luminosity captured. (One of most complicated color matching process as we human is very sensitive to it, at least to me)

 

As I mentioned, this is hardware level difference, tweak with software will not be satisfied fully. If you don’t capture enough orange hue to begin with, boost or tweak with hue, saturation and luminosity will only make images noise and fake and screw up other color reproduction. To illustrate to extreme level, it like use tone control and mixer to recreate Steinway and Sons grand piano, you certainly can make it close enough at certain region, but it is extremely complicated process to match under all spectrum if it is possible at all.

 

I don’t want make a big deal of it. I will just say I have a strong PERSONAL preference on S006 skin tone reproduction to end the dialogue. For other stuff, it is not as important, at least to me.

my personal preference is S007 every time.

I had the S006 but now have the S007, the CMOS sensor blows away the old S006 sensor in usability (S006 files shot over ISO800 are just horrible and anything above 200 to 800 is barely usable.......also the build quality of the S007 is far superior to that of the S006......my three bobs worth.

Neil

[ZHNL]

my personal preference is S007 every time.

I had the S006 but now have the S007, the CMOS sensor blows away the old S006 sensor in usability (S006 files shot over ISO800 are just horrible and anything above 200 to 800 is barely usable.......also the build quality of the S007 is far superior to that of the S006......my three bobs worth.

Neil

Very reasonable reply. S007 brought many upgrade to 006, especially on LV capability, Low light capability, more responsive shutter with less lag. It is a solid upgrade. There is no doubt about that.  

 

S007 180 Elmar-S APO

 

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Very reasonable reply. S007 brought many upgrade to 006, especially on LV capability, Low light capability, more responsive shutter with less lag. It is a solid upgrade. There is no doubt about that.  

 

S007 180 Elmar-S APO

 

 

Lovely mate lovely

 

Neil

[John McMaster]

Three from last week, all S(007) with 120/2.5.

 

 

 

 

john

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Three from last week, all S(007) with 120/2.5.

 

 

 

 

john

I like the second one John.....keep it up

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S007 w S 70

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[mgrayson3]

I just did a real test with a portrait photographer. The results, which I'll post in a new thread, are surprising (to me at least).

Strait OOC, with controlled lighting, we have  S006 > SL > X1D > S007. I'll see how hard it is to get the others up close to the S006 level.

The X1D was processed in LR, not Phocus, so that may change the ordering...

 

Glad I kept the 006....

 

Matt

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Guys

I have just returned from my trip of a lifetime safari in Tanzania. Below are a few pictures taken with my Leica S007, if anyone wants to see the remaining pictures in full JPG resolution please take a look HERE