Agent M10 Posted July 19, 2015 Share #1 Posted July 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone used this lens or knows of a photographer who uses it? There is a dearth of material on the net about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John McMaster Posted July 19, 2015 Share #2 Posted July 19, 2015 Has anyone used this lens or knows of a photographer who uses it? There is a dearth of material on the net about it. That is what I found as well, even in its original Schneider version. I have a copy but it is half a world away...... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted July 19, 2015 Share #3 Posted July 19, 2015 I haven't used it - just seen it. Like all TS lenses, it's a bit of a monster size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted July 19, 2015 Share #4 Posted July 19, 2015 I haven't used it - just seen it. Like all TS lenses, it's a bit of a monster size. But not as heavy as it may look ;-) john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted July 19, 2015 I was interested in seeing how it'd be used for architecture. It seems that the focal length would be somewhat limiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted July 19, 2015 Share #6 Posted July 19, 2015 Indeed, more designed for studio/tabletop work. I have the Mamiya 50mm shift which is OK but no tilt, I think nobody would say no to a 30mm or so T/S lens.... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted July 19, 2015 Share #7 Posted July 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've investigated this topic of shift lenses on the Leica S a bit. The only viable solution is, IMO, the adaptation of Pentax 6x7 lenses via the Zörk shift adapter. Pentax 6x7 lenses have a big circle of image. The 20 mm shift of the Zörk adapter can be used almost to its extremes. My particular lens is the 45mm. I do use this combination with good results. Focusing with the split image screen is quite easy. 45 mm on the Leica S is like a 35 mm on 24x36. One nice added feature of using 6x7 Pentax lenses on the Leica S: they are much smaller than the original S lenses themselves. I´d rather have a 30 mm shift lens, of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted July 20, 2015 Share #8 Posted July 20, 2015 What sort of coast are the Zörk bits? What is the end camera mount? thanks john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted July 20, 2015 Share #9 Posted July 20, 2015 I've investigated this topic of shift lenses on the Leica S a bit. The only viable solution is, IMO, the adaptation of Pentax 6x7 lenses via the Zörk shift adapter. Pentax 6x7 lenses have a big circle of image. The 20 mm shift of the Zörk adapter can be used almost to its extremes. My particular lens is the 45mm. I do use this combination with good results. Focusing with the split image screen is quite easy. 45 mm on the Leica S is like a 35 mm on 24x36. One nice added feature of using 6x7 Pentax lenses on the Leica S: they are much smaller than the original S lenses themselves. I´d rather have a 30 mm shift lens, of course... Very interesting. Thanks. How do you set the aperture with the Zoerk adapter? P.S. It's a pity the Leica 30mm tilt -shift will not be manufactured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted July 20, 2015 Share #10 Posted July 20, 2015 ynp, John, The Zörk has a price of aprox 1500 euros. It is hand made by Herrn Zörk himself, in München. It is essentially an 6x7-Pentax-lens-to-Leica S adapter, but with a sliding-rotating mechanism that enables plus/minus 20 mm shift in every direction. It is not possible to tilt with it. It is mechanically very well made, with no tolerances. To set the aperture with the Zörk adapter: 1. mount whatever S lens on the S body. 2. change the f. number to f.4 on the S body (because the 45mm 6x7 67 Pentax lens opens to f.4) 3. turn off the camera, unmount the S lens, mount the Pentax lens with its adapter on the S body. 4. turn on the camera, and change the diaphragm manually. You must keep an eye on the AUTO/MANUAL lever on the lens: it must be set to MANUAL. I do focus wide open, and close to the working aperture just before shooting. I do this even without a tripod. This is possible thanks to the bright Leica S viewfinder. The Leica S is a traditional SLR, I love it precisely because of this. VERY IMPORTANT: The 45mm lens has a gelatin filter holder on the back that must be removed prior to mounting the lens on the Zörk adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted July 20, 2015 Share #11 Posted July 20, 2015 Thank you, Manolo, for the detailed explanation. Yevgeny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboudd Posted July 28, 2015 Share #12 Posted July 28, 2015 This is a bit off the mark, but I have the Schneider 90MM TS version for 35MM. It is a light lens, despite its size. It is incredibly sharp and on the new Canon 5DSr produces amazing images. For this reason I decided not to add the 120 TS Apo to my Leica S kit of 30, 35, 70 and 120 lenses. The Leica S would be a great camera for architectural photographers, IF Leica - or Schneider for Leica - would make T/S lens in wide angle and normal perspectives in addition to the 120 APO T/S. This would be a better solution instead of forcing owners to use adapters to try to accomplish what would be better done with lenses designed for that purpose. That was my hope four years ago when I kept hearing about the development of a wide angle T/S, which as many things Leica, never appear. I have always preferred the look of the S2 to any other digital camera I have owned so it would be interesting to do a head to head comparison of the Schneider 90 on the Canon 5DSr to the Makro 120 on the S2. I'll try to do that soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboudd Posted July 28, 2015 Share #13 Posted July 28, 2015 OK. It is hot, humid and I have no reason to leave my air conditioned office, so here it is, my head to head test of the Schneider 90MM T/S on the Canon 5DSr and the Leica S2 with the 120 Makro. I wanted this to be a glass and sensor comparison so I did not use and shift or tilt on the Schneider. The little Yellow Cab was lighted with one Profoto B1 with a 50 degree scrim on it and a reflector fill. Both images were shot from the same distance. Keep in mind there are slight differences in focal length, the 120MM S lens being closer to a 96MM on a 35MM format, hence the difference in size of the subject within the frame. In case you are wondering, that is not a moire pattern in the background, it is the texture of the material. These images went straight from RAW to the jpgs fitted for this site. There was an adjustment to the Canon image to better align the exposures. I got the histograms as close as I could. I thought the S2( left image) rendered the color better than the Canon (right image)not being a techno-geek, I would attribute that to the sensor, all other variables being the same. Y'all can chime in with your thoughts. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247969-120mm-ts-apo-elmar-%E2%80%93-any-users/?do=findComment&comment=2862079'>More sharing options...
aboudd Posted July 28, 2015 Share #14 Posted July 28, 2015 Next is a crop at 100% of the front door of the cab to compare the resolution of the S2 37 megapixel to the Canon 5DSr 50 mgpx sensors. The left image is from the Leica, the right from the Canon. The image resolution looks pretty close to me. At 100 pixels/inch the Canon makes about an 87 X 57 inch image, the Leica a 75 X 50 inch image. What does this mean to me? Well, it means that the Canon 5DSr with its 50 megapixel sensor and the Canon 17 and 24MM T/S lenses is my system of choice for architectural images. Had Leica come out with their unobtainium T/S lenses - , I would be using my Leica S2 for my primary work. All of that said, I still prefer the Leica glass/sensor combination for the color rendering and for my aerial photography it is outstanding. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247969-120mm-ts-apo-elmar-%E2%80%93-any-users/?do=findComment&comment=2862098'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 4, 2016 Share #15 Posted March 4, 2016 Rumors of 3 tilt/shifts for the SL system... http://leicarumors.com/2016/03/03/the-latest-leica-rumors-new-m-camera-without-lcd-screen-tilt-shift-sl-lenses.aspx/ If these materialize before any new S T/S lenses, I wonder about Leica's attention to the SL versus S systems. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted March 4, 2016 Share #16 Posted March 4, 2016 Indeed, I thought they would be better off trying to get auto-aperture etc for Canon EOS lenses on the SL... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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