marknorton Posted May 21, 2007 Share #1 Posted May 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Panasonic have apparently just launched the DMC-FX100, 12.2 mega-pixels, up to ISO 6400, 28-100mm Leica branded lens. Can't you just feel the noise... I assume this will be red-dotted and metamorphose into the Leica D-Lux 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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albertknappmd Posted May 21, 2007 Share #2 Posted May 21, 2007 but with mystically better Teutonic Quality Control.... :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLogan Posted May 21, 2007 Share #3 Posted May 21, 2007 D-LUXes come from Panasonic's LX line, not its FX line. FX cameras become C-LUXes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asabet Posted May 22, 2007 Share #4 Posted May 22, 2007 Really bummed me out to see the news. I don't even mind noise. It's noise reduction that bothers me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceflynn Posted May 22, 2007 Share #5 Posted May 22, 2007 The noise issue is mentioned in the annoucement at dpreview, at: Panasonic announces DMC-FX100: Digital Photography Review The DMC-FX100 incorporates a new 1/1.72-inch large CCD with 12.2-megapixel rich recording resolution. This super-high resolution is possible because sufficient light-receiving area is allocated to each pixel, thus preventing noise that would otherwise be generated by a smaller pixel area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted May 22, 2007 D-LUXes come from Panasonic's LX line, not its FX line. FX cameras become C-LUXes. Ah yes, I bow to your greater knowledge of the Panasonic product lines and cross-over to Leica! I find their range completely unfathomable. A 12.2 MP C-Lux 3 in prospect, then? They may be using a larger sensor - still the weird way of specifying it in reciprocal inches - but with each pixel taking up something like 1/4 of the area of a pixel in an M8, noise will still surely be an issue. Joe Public doesn't need this many pixels... but the more mega-thingeys, the better, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted May 22, 2007 Share #7 Posted May 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The noise issue is mentioned in the annoucement at dpreview, at: Panasonic announces DMC-FX100: Digital Photography Review The DMC-FX100 incorporates a new 1/1.72-inch large CCD with 12.2-megapixel rich recording resolution. This super-high resolution is possible because sufficient light-receiving area is allocated to each pixel, thus preventing noise that would otherwise be generated by a smaller pixel area. That's all marketing BS. Putting 12 MP in a 24x36 sensor is trouble enough let alone a 1/1.72 inch sensor. It won't look worse than the previous version, but will it look better than the current version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted May 22, 2007 Share #8 Posted May 22, 2007 A second tier competitor typically has only two cards in their hands ... 1. License an iconic trademark 2. Cram more pixels into a pathetic sensor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJLogan Posted May 22, 2007 Share #9 Posted May 22, 2007 Ah yes, I bow to your greater knowledge of the Panasonic product lines and cross-over to Leica! I find their range completely unfathomable. A 12.2 MP C-Lux 3 in prospect, then? I learned it all trying to trace the lineage of my original D-LUX, which was among the first Panasonic/Leica models. Leica totally redesigned that camera's body, though, so it took awhile for me to figure it out. Initially, at least, Leica was very choosy about which Panasonics to rebrand. But the C-Lux and--especially--V-Lux lines seem very un-Leica-like to me, so I would no longer be shocked to see a 12 MP point-and-shoot noise machine sporting a red dot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asabet Posted May 23, 2007 Share #10 Posted May 23, 2007 Besides the ill effects of noise reduction, my greatest concern with all this pixel stuffing is the inevitable hit to dynamic range. I briefly blogged about this here, comparing the dynamic range of my G7 and D2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted May 23, 2007 Share #11 Posted May 23, 2007 Panasonic released 10 cameras last january, all of them as crappy as can they can get. I do have the Lumix FX01 and the picture quality is really poor even at iso 80 and its only 6 MP. I just don't understand their obsession of releasing tons of cameras with mega pixeling instead of concentrating in 3-4 really good models. 12MP?? I mean if the M8 is noisy at iso 1250 what can we expect?? Ricardo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted May 24, 2007 Share #12 Posted May 24, 2007 Some of you are too critical. Cameras like the V-Lux, D-Lux and C-Lux offer good quality at a reasonable price. They allow peolple that cannot afford M or R gear to start with a Leica and maybe move up in the future. I dare say, that many who own and use these cameras may in fact be better photographers that many of you. In truth, I like the V-Lux better than my M8, but not as much as my M5s or SL2s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asabet Posted May 24, 2007 Share #13 Posted May 24, 2007 I dare say, that many who own and use these cameras may in fact be better photographers that many of you. I'm quite certain many users of each of those cameras are better photographers than I am, but why should that stop me from criticizing Panasonic for cramming more and more pixels into these small sensors? Ideally all of us, both good and bad photographers, would have the best equipment we can get . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted May 24, 2007 Share #14 Posted May 24, 2007 Panasonic have apparently just launched the DMC-FX100, 12.2 mega-pixels, up to ISO 6400, 28-100mm Leica branded lens. Can't you just feel the noise... I assume this will be red-dotted and metamorphose into the Leica D-Lux 4. Just think Mark, if they made a sensor the size of the M8's with those pixels it would be 133.5MP:eek: Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted May 24, 2007 Share #15 Posted May 24, 2007 Just think Mark, if they made a sensor the size of the M8's with those pixels it would be 133.5MP:eek: Bob yeah! but is it FF ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted May 24, 2007 Share #16 Posted May 24, 2007 yeah! but is it FF ? Yep, edge to edge and corner to corner...... Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted May 24, 2007 Share #17 Posted May 24, 2007 "I dare say, that many who own and use these cameras may in fact be better photographers that many of you." what's the point with that comment? I do have a Lumix FX07 with cero manual controls and would be a waste of time comparing its files against those from my D80, as good or as bad as I can be I get better shots with the D80 -image quality speaking- bar none. We are talking about putting as many pixels as possible beyond the reasonable even when the Panasonic folks for know for sure that the images will look like crap. It is nothing but a marketing selling point for those who may think more is better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted May 24, 2007 Share #18 Posted May 24, 2007 My point has nothing to do about the quality or lack of quality of the gear itself. Rather, no matter how good your equipment is, ultimatley, it is the image that matters. There is no doubt that a higher quality photo can be had from any Nikon, Canon or a Leica M8, but a high quality photo does not translate into a great image. A great image can be captured by any camera. Understand, I have used Leicas since 1970. I have bought and sold so many, I cannot keep count. I will never relinquish my SL2s, M's or any of the twelve lenses. I like the Leica/Panasonic cameras for their price and very good image quality and ease of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted May 24, 2007 Share #19 Posted May 24, 2007 I agree with you Richard, is the picture that matters... In fact last month I sold a picture for 1500 dlls that I took with my Lumix... They don't buy it for the micro-contrast or resolution, they did it because of the moment it was captured. (Actually they never asked about the camera I used) But the fact that panasonic is producing point and shoots of average pictorial quality by the dozen it's a fact. Come on, 10 models 5 months ago and they already releasing more with basically no added value? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted May 25, 2007 Share #20 Posted May 25, 2007 I do not disagree with you on that fact. Leica is smart to pick and choose their models. The Company needs thes cameras to bring in steady cash, and as I said, for the money and waht they do, they are very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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