ECohen Posted February 13, 2016 Share #41 Posted February 13, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Nikon came out with a 43-86mm zoom which was just terrible. I concur......that was one crappy zoom! So we all used primes, another reason I love my M....... PRIMES great primes Remember the Vivitar 70~210 Macro Zoom...that wasn't a bad Zoom for the the 70's....I think I still have mine? I'd like to weigh in on dents ....dents no brassing yes Brassing is usage without banging around, its caused by handling........ holding the camera causes brassing Dents and dings come from banging your camera into stuff....thats bad..... not as bad as dropping your camera but something to avoid if you can. I may have said this before but todays cameras are like computers, you wouldn't bang your computer would you? Heres a question: How much "banging" can my M take, before I knock the rangefinder out? I would think my old Nikon could take a lot more abuse than todays M....Any opinions from you old Leca guys? Can you bang around that rangefinder? Would you without thinking? Which brings to mind Robert Capa......When he hit the beach at Normandy, sand/ salt water/and an awful lot of rough.... really rough use....... The first thing on his mind was not getting killed....then getting shots I'll bet his Leicas took far more abuse in one beach landing than mine on a rainy Saturday stroll in the woods.....He'd think this was a funny conversation...are we nuts? We're talking about brassing I think if you use your cameras really use them you don't think about braising Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 13, 2016 Posted February 13, 2016 Hi ECohen, Take a look here Black paint on M thinner than usual? Brass already showing.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Exodies Posted February 13, 2016 Share #42 Posted February 13, 2016 You might if you are photographing your dinner for Facebook. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 13, 2016 Share #43 Posted February 13, 2016 Robert Capa, I think, used Contax or some other camera maybe Rollei TLR but not Leica on D day. Nikon came out with a 43-86mm zoom which was just terrible. I concur......that was one crappy zoom! So we all used primes, another reason I love my M....... PRIMES great primes Remember the Vivitar 70~210 Macro Zoom...that wasn't a bad Zoom for the the 70's....I think I still have mine? I'd like to weigh in on dents ....dents no brassing yes Brassing is usage without banging around, its caused by handling........ holding the camera causes brassing Dents and dings come from banging your camera into stuff....thats bad..... not as bad as dropping your camera but something to avoid if you can. I may have said this before but todays cameras are like computers, you wouldn't bang your computer would you? Heres a question: How much "banging" can my M take, before I knock the rangefinder out? I would think my old Nikon could take a lot more abuse than todays M....Any opinions from you old Leca guys? Can you bang around that rangefinder? Would you without thinking? Which brings to mind Robert Capa......When he hit the beach at Normandy, sand/ salt water/and an awful lot of rough.... really rough use....... The first thing on his mind was not getting killed....then getting shots I'll bet his Leicas took far more abuse in one beach landing than mine on a rainy Saturday stroll in the woods.....He'd think this was a funny conversation...are we nuts? We're talking about brassing I think if you use your cameras really use them you don't think about braising Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 13, 2016 Share #44 Posted February 13, 2016 BTW, back in the day there were no acceptable zooms. Nikon came out with a 43-86mm zoom which was just terrible. It remains the only zoom that I can remember where barrel distortion and pincushion distortion (at opposite end of the zoom) are visible on 6"x4" prints! Thats said its was reasonably sharp so sold well and can still be bought reasonably cheaply and represents a pivotal zoom for convenience and price when new. Poor by todays standards, terrible even, but quite a lens when brought out. Things have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 13, 2016 Share #45 Posted February 13, 2016 Robert Capa, I think, used Contax or some other camera maybe Rollei TLR but not Leica on D day. Thank You I believe you are correct...ya learn something new everyday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 13, 2016 Share #46 Posted February 13, 2016 Heres a question: How much banging around can my M take, before I knock the rangefinder out of wack? Or can it take a bit of abuse? I'm more careful with the M, than with another camera I've owned.......it's expensive to buy /repair and that rangefinder mechanism seems delicate. Any opinions from you older and wiser rangefinder guys? I try not to knock the M around...with a Nikon I didn't care as much? How much does the adjustment cost from the factory these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 13, 2016 Share #47 Posted February 13, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) How much banging around can my M take, before I knock the rangefinder out of wack? No telling. There are too many variables - where hit, kinetic energy, wear. That said, all the staff photographers but one (the is six of us) carried one Leica M, usually an M4, and all had dents on top of the viewfinder, edges, base plate and none ever had an RF break. We sent them in every year for a check-up and the only adjustments were to the shutter speeds and even then they were minor. Of course we were using film, not viewing pixels 1:1, and the largest prints ever made were floated on 16x20" for an annual show and competition. One recent anecdote mentioned a few years ago - I was carrying my new M9 under my left arm with the strap across my chest when I had a terrific bicycle accident. The LCD was destroyed, the lens shade was bent to junk (and I cracked a rib). While in the emergency room I picked up the camera and took a picture of my mate. Couldn't tell if it worked. A day later I downloaded the SD card and to my utter surprise there was a perfectly focused, properly exposed image of her. (And many thanks to Leica, NJ, it was repaired to new condition.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted February 13, 2016 Share #48 Posted February 13, 2016 Which brings to mind Robert Capa......When he hit the beach at Normandy, sand/ salt water/and an awful lot of rough.... really rough use....... The first thing on his mind was not getting killed....then getting shots I'll bet his Leicas took far more abuse in one beach landing than mine on a rainy Saturday stroll in the woods.....He'd think this was a funny conversation...are we nuts? Yes. This is a funny conversation by people who are "nuts." My cameras get used... not abused, but used... and they tend to show that after a while. And i really don't care what they look like... as long as they make the images that I DO care about what they look like. Nobody worries about what the carpenter's tools look like, only that what he builds looks good. Photography is no different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted February 13, 2016 Share #49 Posted February 13, 2016 Heres a question: How much banging around can my M take, before I knock the rangefinder out of wack? Or can it take a bit of abuse? I'm more careful with the M, than with another camera I've owned.......it's expensive to buy /repair and that rangefinder mechanism seems delicate. Any opinions from you older and wiser rangefinder guys? I try not to knock the M around...with a Nikon I didn't care as much? How much does the adjustment cost from the factory these days? I had an M4-2 that I cracked the body and bent the bottom plate (they still mated fine) when it blew over onto some car-sized rocks on a 6' tripod. Later, that same M4-2 in an early Lowe Pro bag went tumbling off the back of a Honda 3-wheeler at about 30 mph in an arroyo in the Anza Borrego desert. I sold it five years later, and other than the small crack in the body and the matching dent in the bottom plate, it worked as well as the day I bought it. I did a photo project on RAGBRAI in 2013 and used my M9P on a strap slung around my shoulder on my bike for the better part of seven days. It got jostled around pretty good that week, and still works and, much to my surprise, looks like new. These cameras are tougher than many folks give them credit for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 13, 2016 Share #50 Posted February 13, 2016 hepcat: I did a photo project on RAGBRAI in 2013 and used my M9P Good for you! You made my day. To the rest, google RAGBRAI images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted February 13, 2016 Share #51 Posted February 13, 2016 Good for you! You made my day. To the rest, google RAGBRAI images. It's entirely my pleasure! RAGBRAI XLI, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted February 13, 2016 Share #52 Posted February 13, 2016 Yes. This is a funny conversation by people who are "nuts." My cameras get used... not abused, but used... and they tend to show that after a while. And i really don't care what they look like... as long as they make the images that I DO care about what they look like. Nobody worries about what the carpenter's tools look like, only that what he builds looks good. Photography is no different. I think nobody is nuts, but just having some fun being funny. Me, none of my cameras show much wear and doing nothing to accelerate it. I baby them a bit plus my hands aren't huge and I am gentle so that probably goes into the wear factor. My 20 year old M never had any brass showing or dents and looked like new when traded in for M9. I was thrilled still worth something in trade! Not so thrilled at the trade in value of the M9 however for the M240. Nor at the trade in value of my M240 about to trade for a Q, since have the M246 now. One M is enough at a time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 13, 2016 Share #53 Posted February 13, 2016 Nice pics Hep it looks like a good time was had by all. ....I guess I stop babying the M Thank You...really! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 13, 2016 Share #54 Posted February 13, 2016 Which brings to mind Robert Capa......When he hit the beach at Normandy, sand/ salt water/and an awful lot of rough.... really rough use....... The first thing on his mind was not getting killed....then getting shots I'll bet his Leicas took far more abuse in one beach landing than mine on a rainy Saturday stroll in the woods.....He'd think this was a funny conversation...are we nuts? We're talking about brassing I think if you use your cameras really use them you don't think about braising Not that he used Leica cameras there...They were sitting safely at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 13, 2016 Share #55 Posted February 13, 2016 It's entirely my pleasure! RAGBRAI XLI, 2013 Ah, I saw a Grinnell t-shirt! Thanks for the pictures. Me darlin's magazine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted February 13, 2016 Share #56 Posted February 13, 2016 Ah, I saw a Grinnell t-shirt! Thanks for the pictures. Me darlin's magazine Gorgeous! And I'm glad you enjoyed the photos from '13 Not to hijack the thread here but since we're talking about RAGBRAI... in '10 I rode my Greenspeed GTO with a Sachs 3x7 rear end towing a Burley Nomad as a bagger and did three days and 180 miles of RAGBRAI. In '11 I bought an ICE Sprint SE with a standard gear set. I intended to ride another three days starting in Altoona, but I had to retire in Grinnell as I nearly blew my knees out. It was woefully over-geared without the Sachs 3x7 over/under-drive. Here's a link to a thread about my gearing woes... and photos of the Altoona to Grinnell debacle day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted February 14, 2016 Share #58 Posted February 14, 2016 On both sides. Even the RAF and for instance General Patton used Leicas. Reporters, including Robert Capa would often use Speed Graphics, though. Many images were taken by soldiers and those were more prone to use miniature cameras like Contax and Leica.. An interesting thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/29gctf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted February 19, 2016 Share #59 Posted February 19, 2016 my experience has been that the paint on the m240 is quite a bit softer than on the M9- at least in my case. I had an M9 for 3 years or so- and at the end there was only one fleck of paint missing - my M240 is about the same age now and has little marks all over. The paint just kind of fell off of the the little thumb rest part... I don't care though and look forward to more brassing. Though I do think black chrome would be a better finish. I have a black chrome M6 and do not mind the slight greying it shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted February 19, 2016 Share #60 Posted February 19, 2016 No telling. There are too many variables - where hit, kinetic energy, wear. That said, all the staff photographers but one (the is six of us) carried one Leica M, usually an M4, and all had dents on top of the viewfinder, edges, base plate and none ever had an RF break. We sent them in every year for a check-up and the only adjustments were to the shutter speeds and even then they were minor. Of course we were using film, not viewing pixels 1:1, and the largest prints ever made were floated on 16x20" for an annual show and competition. One recent anecdote mentioned a few years ago - I was carrying my new M9 under my left arm with the strap across my chest when I had a terrific bicycle accident. The LCD was destroyed, the lens shade was bent to junk (and I cracked a rib). While in the emergency room I picked up the camera and took a picture of my mate. Couldn't tell if it worked. A day later I downloaded the SD card and to my utter surprise there was a perfectly focused, properly exposed image of her. (And many thanks to Leica, NJ, it was repaired to new condition.) i remember that original post you made all those years ago. you were crossing a railway crossing on your bike, if my memory serves me correctly? everyone here was quite concerned for your recovery. me, I'm still waiting, waiting for my M to brass, chip & ding. i love that look & currently feel like i've not been shooting enough every time i take it out the billingham. maybe i shouldn't keep it in a bag & throw caution to the wind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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