topoxforddoc Posted June 23, 2015 Share #21 Posted June 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Leaf shutters are a must if you're using flash on location outside though. Studio indoors less of an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 23, 2015 Share #22 Posted June 23, 2015 The Leaf shutters are a must if you're using flash on location outside though. Studio indoors less of an issue. Plan on getting two 120mm CS and the 70mm CS. The third lens I will get later on will be the 24mm for Landscape Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted June 25, 2015 Share #23 Posted June 25, 2015 Leaf shutters a great, but not really an absolute must for the studio. A short flash duration in a dark studio can freeze action quite well. Don't think that makes sense. Flashes are usually practically instantaneous (like 1/10,000 sec). The point of high sync speed is to tame the ambient light, (and allow wide aperture shots), not to freeze motion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted June 25, 2015 Share #24 Posted June 25, 2015 Don't think that makes sense. Flashes are usually practically instantaneous (like 1/10,000 sec). The point of high sync speed is to tame the ambient light, (and allow wide aperture shots), not to freeze motion. Very true. When I shoot strobes only and feel lazy and do not want to climb up the ladder to shut the shades on the windows, I just pick up my leaf shutter lenses and I can ignore the ambient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted June 25, 2015 Share #25 Posted June 25, 2015 Don't think that makes sense. Flashes are usually practically instantaneous (like 1/10,000 sec). The point of high sync speed is to tame the ambient light, (and allow wide aperture shots), not to freeze motion.You're correct about high sync speed being used to kill ambient, but flashes are no where near 1/10,000 second once you consider t.1 time. I have a high-end Broncolor kit and even at low power (150 Ws), t.1 is around 1/2500. That's plenty fast but wireless triggers eat a lot of time. You can always go wired of course, but hitting 1/1600 wireless in broad daylight doesn't give you much time to get the flash off. This isn't a huge, huge deal of course and it's way better than a focal plan shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted June 25, 2015 Share #26 Posted June 25, 2015 Don't think that makes sense. Flashes are usually practically instantaneous (like 1/10,000 sec). The point of high sync speed is to tame the ambient light, (and allow wide aperture shots), not to freeze motion. Yes, that's right. (it's what I meant). My wording late in the evening was a bit clumsy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkgmatt Posted June 25, 2015 Share #27 Posted June 25, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I must confess, Neil, the way you negotiate photographic hairpins with two wheels off the road is rather disconcerting to bystanders. Obviously the way you spend your money is your business and privilege. However, I do not think that going midformat is going to be very useful for your style of photography. Better stick with your D800, IMO. OTOH, the S system is certainly the healthy choice; a walk with the beast is better than a workout at the Gym. But then, most of your photography is within five yards of your car, I understand. I use both M and S systems and have to agree that as wonderful as the S is, it is not a walk-around camera - the lenses are very heavy and the camera requires relatively high shutter speeds to avoid camera shake, so a tripod often comes with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 26, 2015 Share #28 Posted June 26, 2015 I use both M and S systems and have to agree that as wonderful as the S is, it is not a walk-around camera - the lenses are very heavy and the camera requires relatively high shutter speeds to avoid camera shake, so a tripod often comes with me. Not sure of your age or your build but I am 6' 3' and built like a brick sh{t house so I cant imagine it being too heavy..........going by actual numbers its no heaver than a D4s with 70/200 f2.8 and I have lugged that puppy around for a whole week along with a D800 and 24mm f1.4 hanging off a spider without breaking sweat...........horses for courses so they say :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollicoe Posted June 26, 2015 Share #29 Posted June 26, 2015 Are the S lenses that superior to other MF systems? I'm undecided on which route to take Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted June 26, 2015 Share #30 Posted June 26, 2015 Are the S lenses that superior to other MF systems? I'm undecided on which route to take My two cents here, since I went through he MF decision a year ago. I got interested in medium format a little less than a year ago when Hasselblad announced the CFV-50c back for the V camera system. I never really seriously got close to buying it, but it got me into the mindset. I started looking into MF systems and quickly settled on the S or the PhaseOne IQ250 system. The S because it's Leica and I like Leica, the P1 because everyone seems to speak extremely well of them. I briefly considered the Hasselblad system, but I couldn't find anyone who seriously recommended that setup so I gravitated towards either the S or the IQ250. For me, what it came down to more than anything was having a different photographic experience. I said to the dealer I knew that I'm a Leica shooter and I don't really have any image quality complaints. What I'm looking for is for a different experience. The Leica M stuff is 3:2, the PhaseOne is 4x3 and I liked the concept of a different aspect ratio. I haven't shot seriously with the S, but the resolution in the PhaseOne system is absolutely stunning. It's funny that I went into it saying I didn't have any resolution complaints and now the 50mm AA lens looks soft :-). I'm sure the S is fantastic and it's beautiful like everything Leica. I know the PhaseOne system is fantastic and the modularity is nice. They just announced an updated camera body (the previous camera body was by far the weakest link in the chain). I'm glad that I can upgrade the camera body and keep my existing back. Happy to provide full-res samples if that would help. -jbl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted June 26, 2015 Share #31 Posted June 26, 2015 Neil, I have both. Mostly use M system because 39 mp almost demands a tripod. It's great for landscape but I'm not sure about "pretty girls." Might show zits in too much detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 26, 2015 Share #32 Posted June 26, 2015 Neil, I have both. Mostly use M system because 39 mp almost demands a tripod. It's great for landscape but I'm not sure about "pretty girls." Might show zits in too much detail.Zits bloody zits.......my chicks don't have zits maybe the odd boil but zits never. Not after I have abliterated them with PS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jollicoe Posted June 26, 2015 Share #33 Posted June 26, 2015 My two cents here, since I went through he MF decision a year ago. I got interested in medium format a little less than a year ago when Hasselblad announced the CFV-50c back for the V camera system. I never really seriously got close to buying it, but it got me into the mindset. I started looking into MF systems and quickly settled on the S or the PhaseOne IQ250 system. The S because it's Leica and I like Leica, the P1 because everyone seems to speak extremely well of them. I briefly considered the Hasselblad system, but I couldn't find anyone who seriously recommended that setup so I gravitated towards either the S or the IQ250. For me, what it came down to more than anything was having a different photographic experience. I said to the dealer I knew that I'm a Leica shooter and I don't really have any image quality complaints. What I'm looking for is for a different experience. The Leica M stuff is 3:2, the PhaseOne is 4x3 and I liked the concept of a different aspect ratio. I haven't shot seriously with the S, but the resolution in the PhaseOne system is absolutely stunning. It's funny that I went into it saying I didn't have any resolution complaints and now the 50mm AA lens looks soft :-). I'm sure the S is fantastic and it's beautiful like everything Leica. I know the PhaseOne system is fantastic and the modularity is nice. They just announced an updated camera body (the previous camera body was by far the weakest link in the chain). I'm glad that I can upgrade the camera body and keep my existing back. Happy to provide full-res samples if that would help. -jbl The aspect ratio is a big one for me aswell.. The build quality (love the weather sealing) of the S and huge viewfinder are superb, of course But 3:2 and limited to 37mp is kind of a bummer. I already have two d810s / OTUS lenses.. and I don't believe the S would be too noticeable of an upgrade in terms of IQ to warrant the extra cash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 26, 2015 Share #34 Posted June 26, 2015 The aspect ratio is a big one for me aswell.. The build quality (love the weather sealing) of the S and huge viewfinder are superb, of course But 3:2 and limited to 37mp is kind of a bummer. I already have two d810s / OTUS lenses.. and I don't believe the S would be too noticeable of an upgrade in terms of IQ to warrant the extra cash The aspect ratio can easily be corrected and thought about before you press the shutter...........I too have a D800 and Otus and unless yours is different to mine, mine is manual focus. And looking at the files from a Leica S and from the D800 Otus setup I can see a difference.............the Leica IQ is just so much better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted June 26, 2015 Share #35 Posted June 26, 2015 You can walk around with the S. I do it regularly at concerts, either one off gigs or festivals. In fact, my S(006) and M9 are my standard kit. Previously I slung 2 DMRs over my shoulders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 26, 2015 Share #36 Posted June 26, 2015 You can walk around with the S. I do it regularly at concerts, either one off gigs or festivals. In fact, my S(006) and M9 are my standard kit. Previously I slung 2 DMRs over my shoulders. Charlie..........You are 100% correct. Before I had Leica M...... I used to go on photo trips and my kit consisted of D3s 70/200 D7000 24/70 and that would go with me everywhere and I would have my 14/24 in a picket or backpack. As usual most folks on here bitching about the weight of the S have never seen one let alone picked it up .........me included, but I am getting one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted June 26, 2015 Share #37 Posted June 26, 2015 The aspect ratio can easily be corrected and thought about before you press the shutter...........I too have a D800 and Otus and unless yours is different to mine, mine is manual focus. And looking at the files from a Leica S and from the D800 Otus setup I can see a difference.............the Leica IQ is just so much better I know you can mentally adjust the aspect ratio, but there's a difference. At least to me. That's why 6x6 seems so nice. It's an emotional experience as much as a rational one, but this is essentially why I have a MM. It's not for image quality, it's because knowing the camera captures only in black and white forces me to think in black and white. -jbl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted June 26, 2015 Share #38 Posted June 26, 2015 You can walk around with the S. I do it regularly at concerts, either one off gigs or festivals. In fact, my S(006) and M9 are my standard kit. Previously I slung 2 DMRs over my shoulders. I have used the S for street photography and I had no problem, but yes it is on the heavy side. How do you cope with low light in the gigs and festivals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted June 26, 2015 Share #39 Posted June 26, 2015 I have used the S for street photography and I had no problem, but yes it is on the heavy side. How do you cope with low light in the gigs and festivals? No different to shooting my DMRs or even film. With stage lighting, it's usually about 1/60th at F4 at ASA 800/1600 or permutations thereof e.g. ASA400 1/60th - 1/125th at F2.8. That has worked for film, my DMRs, the M9 and the S(006). B&W Film and digital has at least +/- 2 stops latitude, so I just concentrate on framing and catching the right moment. Great thing about digital is that you can check on the first frame to make sure that you're in the right ball park. With practice you can hand hold even a DMR with the huge 180/2 Summicron at 1/30th - 1/60th. When I'm photographing drummers, it's never anything faster than 1/60th - that way you get the sticks blurring, rather than standing still in mid air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 26, 2015 Share #40 Posted June 26, 2015 How do you cope with low light in the gigs and festivals? Yea I was going to ask the same question............... I am joining a 16 day photo trip to Ethiopia in January to shoot in the Omo valley and will obviously want to take the Leica S with me but wondering what/if any camera to take with me for a back up for low light situations. I don't know if I would get away with my Profoto lights and a softbox in the back of the 4 x 4 for occasions when we can do some portraiture kind of shots........that would be cool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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