seakayaker1 Posted June 25, 2015 Share #21 Posted June 25, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) With the release of the M246 I took advantage of the heavily discounted MM and made the purchase. I always wanted one and I am extremely pleased with the camera and very happy that my patience paid off. That said, I would have loved to been able to pick up the newer version but the price was prohibited. I can live with not having the latest generation and look forward to a wonderful black and white summer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thompsonkirk Posted June 30, 2015 Share #22 Posted June 30, 2015 Will stay with MM. I asked for and probably still have a place on my dealer's waiting list, but I'm not going ahead with it. I've been reading reviews that say there's not much difference in IQ at base ISO, and I already have large files (most of my work is stitched landscapes). If I wanted a monochrome camera and didn't have one, I'd buy a 246. For me there'd be no significant gain except the high ISOs that I'd never use. I'm more likely to try an A7RII, to see if I can get high quality color and BW from the same sensor. Kirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOZ Posted June 30, 2015 Share #23 Posted June 30, 2015 Have the sensor problem so decided to upgrade, after testing the 246 that i really liked (so much smoother ergonomics !)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sls Posted June 30, 2015 Share #24 Posted June 30, 2015 In the last two weeks I have sold my M9, a couple of lenses, and purchased a Q and an MMI (mint and still with 1 year's warranty for a very good price). The plan for the time being is to use the Q in the middle and the MM wide and long (21 and 75), but I suspect I will have a vintage 35 cron very soon indeed. The MM1 arrived this morning and it is astonishing. I suspect for me Q/MM1 is a perfect practical combination for the happy amateur who wants to get arty from time to time. As for ergonomics, as I was perfectly happy with the M9, the MM1 is just fine and dandy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted June 30, 2015 Share #25 Posted June 30, 2015 I was thinking about upgrading, but with the announcement of the development of new replacement sensors today, it seems I will be able to forget about the corrosion problem, save for the inconvenience of having to send my MM1 to the mother ship for sensor replacement, should it develop problems [it's fine for now]. So...maybe a Q is in the future, as an addition to the M9 and MM1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted June 30, 2015 Share #26 Posted June 30, 2015 No interest in the M24x generation. I'll probably upgrade to whatever comes after whatever comes next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkgmatt Posted June 30, 2015 Share #27 Posted June 30, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I bought the MMI after the M240 (which was my first digital Leica). The older platform of the MM never bothered me, I found it part and parcel of the exquisite experience shooting with a dedicated b/w camera. The only feature I'm missing (when shooting ultra-wide or with a 75mm or 90mm lens) is an EVF, but the one used by the M246 is not good enough to justify an upgrade for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dent Posted July 2, 2015 Share #28 Posted July 2, 2015 Somehow I find using the MMI far more enjoyable than my M240. I´m not much into fast series of shots. I shoot rather few and single frames. The M240´s start up time is just too long for me and I´m missing shots waiting for the camera. The exposure compensation display before the display of the shutter speed is annoying too. The MMI is simple, predictable and nicer to carry all day. The klick-wrrrrr shutter sound makes a nice lo-fi and harmless impression in social situations. I don´t know. I think Ill skip the M246. I even would sell the M240 but as a color camera I find it much easier than the M9. www.mindfulphotography.smugmug.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
downstairs Posted July 2, 2015 Share #29 Posted July 2, 2015 No upgrade. You need two MM bodies. Anyway bodies come and go. The long term investment is lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted July 8, 2015 Share #30 Posted July 8, 2015 Just as Dent. I also find the start up time lag of 240 type. Including 246 is unbearable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted July 8, 2015 Share #31 Posted July 8, 2015 The rumblings emanating from Wetzlar, although not very clear yet, have me worried about another GAS attack... -------------- Jaapv, i did not sleep well last night, need help and want to know some more, please. Is it red or black ? Small or big ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarav Posted July 9, 2015 Share #32 Posted July 9, 2015 I will jump this generation and wait for a slim down in body size I totally agree. The size of classical MP is the perfect one in my hands! The CMOS-based cameras are enormous, are fat fat and fat. Beauty is in proportions. Nothing to say about functionality: M-CMOS are good and their rangefinder is almost perfect (the most tedious lenses are easy to focus) but I'll skip this monochrom in favour of one future slimmer camera than the original one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted July 9, 2015 Share #33 Posted July 9, 2015 Just as Dent. I also find the start up time lag of 240 type. Including 246 is unbearable. Start-up on my 246 is faster than that of my Sony A7R, and about the sames as my Canon 1DX. How fast do you need it to be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 9, 2015 Share #34 Posted July 9, 2015 No interest in the M24x generation. I'll probably upgrade to whatever comes after whatever comes next. Same here. I own M9 and M9Monochrome. If I would ever want some M24x it would be for the purpose of special films of 30seconds or so. The quality of B&W converted from a M240 is very good, much better than from the M9, and it has something special to offer alongside the MM1. So in the case of stepping over to CMOS, it would and should be an M-P. I would never trade in my MM1 for that either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsjxyz Posted July 10, 2015 Share #35 Posted July 10, 2015 Start-up on my 246 is faster than that of my Sony A7R, and about the sames as my Canon 1DX. How fast do you need it to be? Mine using 64gb sandisk is 2.5 second. Using Toshiba Flashair 32 is 4.5 seconds. My old mono is only 1.5 seconds. My Q is less than 1 second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dent Posted July 10, 2015 Share #36 Posted July 10, 2015 Start-up on my 246 is faster than that of my Sony A7R, and about the sames as my Canon 1DX. How fast do you need it to be? I never actually measured the difference in start-up times. It´s just when I see something interesting I wake up the camera lift it to the eye quickly, frame intuitively, shoot in the same instant and put the camera away again. Usually the people don´t even notice me doing this. The MM1 (or M7, M6, MP..) follows this way of shooting, the M240 does not. It´s not ready for the frame when I am. Strangely this fraction of a second counts for me. When carrying the M240 I have to leave it switched on and press the shutter half way from time to time. This is making me nervous because I am constantly interacting with the camera. Between shots I want to forget the camera and concentrate on my visual perception of the world around me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fussgangerfoto Posted July 10, 2015 Share #37 Posted July 10, 2015 I remain on the fence. I have an M7, MM and M240. I've realized that the closer a body is to the size and functionality of the M7, the more I like it. But the MM, while slightly smaller, well-worn and comfortable, is not without it's quirks (noisy, click-whirrrr shutter, low-res display). Leica will make whole owners with corroded sensors (nice), assuming the owners will live long enough to endure a service visit. I think I will keep the MM and forego the M246. But having a single interface, same battery, case, etc. would be nice. And an EVF comes in handy when shooting my finicky Noctilux f/1. Maybe I will spring for the M246. But the MM just feels so much better in my hands (probably because it usually sports a lightweight 35 or 50 'cron). I don't think I can part with it. But the ISO performance of the M246 is quite good. Oh, I don't know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted July 12, 2015 Share #38 Posted July 12, 2015 I never actually measured the difference in start-up times. It´s just when I see something interesting I wake up the camera lift it to the eye quickly, frame intuitively, shoot in the same instant and put the camera away again. Usually the people don´t even notice me doing this. The MM1 (or M7, M6, MP..) follows this way of shooting, the M240 does not. It´s not ready for the frame when I am. Strangely this fraction of a second counts for me. When carrying the M240 I have to leave it switched on and press the shutter half way from time to time. This is making me nervous because I am constantly interacting with the camera. Between shots I want to forget the camera and concentrate on my visual perception of the world around me. I understand, Dent. Actual start-up (manual "camera off" to "camera on") is ~2s for me. I have Auto Power Off set to "Off", and don't experience the wake-up issue you describe. What setting are you using? I'm impressed with the battery life so far. Although I carry 2 spares, I haven't had to use them yet in anger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 14, 2015 Share #39 Posted July 14, 2015 After upgrading to the M240 mainly due to failing eyesight issues, I also upgraded to the M246 from the original MM. Now at least EVF, batteries and grips can be shared between the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted July 20, 2015 Share #40 Posted July 20, 2015 The more I look at the title of this thread, the more I keep thinking that giving up my classic Monochrom would not be an upgrade at all, it would actually be a downgrade. Why? Because I prefer the look of the CCD digital negatives. It's that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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