jonnyboy Posted May 3, 2015 Share #1 Posted May 3, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I started few months ago shooting my first rolls of film, and last month I started developing my own rolls.After the first 3 attempt (wasted 3 rolls) I finally got into it!! I have been developing Ilford HP5 in a Paterson kit, 2 rolls at once with decent results. Last week I bought few Tri-X400 just to give it a go....and this morning I develop the film, 1 roll. Nothing came out! Somehow everytime I develop 1 roll it always got wasted I dont understand why....I use half of everything when I use 1 roll (300ml solutions) but nothing has come out! Any thoughts?Gutted I lost my 30's birthday pictures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Henry Posted May 3, 2015 Share #2 Posted May 3, 2015 Hi Jonny, how is the film, stays black after development?Otherwise when you mounted on the camera, have you checked whether the rewind knob turnsI think , not uncoiling Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted May 3, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted May 3, 2015 No it's not black, I would say is the opposite! Just figure it out I entered the wrong dilution in the Dev Tool....it was supposed to be 1+9 but instead I used 1+14...that may be the thing? Silly me!Also, if I always develop 2 rolls at once....if I develop 1 roll do I have to use half of the solutions or can I stick to the normal 600ml? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 3, 2015 Share #4 Posted May 3, 2015 Is it possible to put your film into the part of the development tank which does not contain the developer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted May 3, 2015 Share #5 Posted May 3, 2015 Jonny, I also use Ilford HP5 and I develop a single roll every time in Ilfosol S diluted 1 : 4 - 10 minutes -20°C . I also use a two-roll Paterson tank. The reason given by Philipp is possible, not enough developer ? but Paterson tank can hold up to 800 ml (I just checked) , if you put 2 rolls together.What about the result of the second roll ? well developed ? Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted May 3, 2015 Share #6 Posted May 3, 2015 No it's not black, I would say is the opposite! Just figure it out I entered the wrong dilution in the Dev Tool....it was supposed to be 1+9 but instead I used 1+14...that may be the thing? Silly me! Also, if I always develop 2 rolls at once....if I develop 1 roll do I have to use half of the solutions or can I stick to the normal 600ml? The dilution mistake should produce lower contrast negatives - but not nothing. For the quantity, your instructions from the tank should tell you how much developer you need for 1 roll. Or just test it out with empty reels. Philipp's point is worth considering - if you use 1/2 the developer and by mistake put the sigle roll of film in the top of the tank, you will certainly have problems. As you agitate during development, some solution will get onto the film, but the effect would be difficult to predict. Not only the developer, but the fixer. But you clearly are making some variety of mistake - developing 1 roll in a 2 roll tank is no problem, and there should be no tricks. Common sense rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted May 3, 2015 Share #7 Posted May 3, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jonny, just an example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFbTFz6sSIM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 4, 2015 Share #8 Posted May 4, 2015 OK, here is the obvious question. By nothing you mean not even any edge markings? If that is the case you put the fixer in first instead of the developer. If you have edge markings but no images the camera is faulty or not loaded correctly. Even if the developer was a little bit more dilute than it should be, or too far up the centre column and not touching the developer, then agitation should splash enough developer on the film to get some faint trace of an image or an edge marking. To guard against putting the wrong chemical in the tank and to ensure an extra level of cleanliness mark your mixing jugs with 'Developer', 'Stop Bath', 'Fix', and never ever use them for anything else. And have a set of jugs just for water. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted May 4, 2015 Jonny, just an example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFbTFz6sSIM This video is amazing.The film came out with absolutely nothing in it, not even a single sign....also the roll was at the bottom of the tank with the empty one on top of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 4, 2015 Share #10 Posted May 4, 2015 This video is amazing. The film came out with absolutely nothing in it, not even a single sign....also the roll was at the bottom of the tank with the empty one on top of it So you put the fix in first, or water instead of developer. Mark your jugs. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted May 4, 2015 Share #11 Posted May 4, 2015 Fixer first sounds like the problem. That will produce nothing on the negs 100% of the time. I had friend did this with wedding pictures - for which he had been engaged as THE photographer. His first thought on seeing the film was to emigrate to Madagascar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted May 4, 2015 Share #12 Posted May 4, 2015 Jonny, about a question of fixer mentioned by Michael, solutions (developers and fixers) are new (or old) and are diluted properly ? also possible that the fixer is involved Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonathanP Posted May 4, 2015 Share #13 Posted May 4, 2015 Sorry to hear of your problems. Adding to what the others have said: if you only have one set of measuring cylinders, always measure & mix developer before stop then finally fixer. So any contamination is always in the order of use (not that I think that would have killed the developer completely, but its best to get into good habits), and rinse out the measuring cylinders well at the end. Hope it goes better next time! Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 4, 2015 Share #14 Posted May 4, 2015 Adding to what the others have said: if you only have one set of measuring cylinders, always measure & mix developer before stop then finally fixer. Not having enough containers for all the chemistry is inexcusable, and troublesome considering temperature balance. Pouring them into the tank in proper order is a trivial responsibility. And it is not a good idea to develop one reel in a two-reel tank without filling the whole tank. For one thing, sloshing can cause permanent surge marks, especially from the sprocket holes. The stick and twist type of agitation sucks for too many reasons. Quit the toy development stuff. Get a grown-up system in order. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted May 6, 2015 I could have used the chemicals in the wrong way - although I have every Jug labeled with different color so that I dont get confused...but mistakes occurs every once in a while so it could be the case...it did happen to me already though...and once, I had the same issue (before developing my own) with 1 roll developed by Snappy Snaps. I have been thinking about it...I could have used the chemicals in the wrong order once....maybe twice (but i doubt it!)...but a service like Snappy Snap (which is far from professional, but still!) will not make mistakes with chemicals.I used the fixer only 2, I dont think it was used too much...or am I wrong?What's bugging me is: could it be that when I chance the lens to the camera there is light filtering through the curtain and mess up the film? Because that's the only thing I have on my mind that's happened in those 3 wasted rolls.....I changed the lens I really just started developing films and I'm far away to feel confident enough to move into 'grown-up system'...the Paterson tank is an economic and decent way for me right now to start learning and move my first steps....I like to do one step at the time...eventually I wil get into the proper biz once I get more into it. So far I'm pretty satisfied with the first rolls I developed - there been some waste but hey that's how you learn things! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 6, 2015 Share #16 Posted May 6, 2015 What's bugging me is: could it be that when I chance the lens to the camera there is light filtering through the curtain and mess up the film? Because that's the only thing I have on my mind that's happened in those 3 wasted rolls.....I changed the lens If you had the lens off the camera and the shutter wide open at the same time if you put the chemicals in in the correct order you would at least have got some totally black frames on the negative. If you have questions like that to ask you need to go back to basic's and stage one, ask if at some time in the past attempts you have contaminated your developer with fix? Start all over again and realise that while it isn't difficult to process a film it is easy to screw it up. There is by the way nothing wrong with Paterson tanks, they are a professional system, so don't blame that. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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