KAD Posted April 9, 2015 Share #1 Posted April 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a newly acquired M3, that seems to be in mint condition. It has been to CLA a few years back, and look like new. I have run about 6 rolls through it before today. Today I was taking a picture, and suddenly the release button and the winder is STUCK. There is no way to wind the film forward, and no way to push the release down. Any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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earleygallery Posted April 9, 2015 Share #2 Posted April 9, 2015 Hello, Could be that the shutter has jammed but first try turning the rewind lever and see what happens. Also, are you sure you've not just reached the end of the roll of film? (it has happened!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted April 9, 2015 Share #3 Posted April 9, 2015 I would think the fault is film related. Try rewinding the film; this should free the advance mechanism. Just selecting the R rewind button might even work without actually transporting film through the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAD Posted April 9, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted April 9, 2015 Unfortunately it is not the film. I have rewind it already, and nothing helps. I was on frame 21 of 36 when it happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted April 17, 2015 Share #5 Posted April 17, 2015 Hello KAD, Welcome to the Forum. What speed was the shutter set at when the camera first began to not operate correctly? What speed is it set at now? Have you changed or tried to change the shutter speed since the problem began? Is there currently film in the camera? If there is currently film in the camera you should rewind it & remove it in order to properly analyze the problem. I, personally, would NOT re-use this roll of film. I would simply develop this roll as a partially exposed roll in order to remove 1 more variable from the list of potential problems. Is the rewind lever pointing up? Is the shutter speed dial wobbly? Does the wheel engage at each detent correctly & does it "click" each step correctly? Is the shutter delay timer partially wound? The shutter delay timer may be partially wound & still be pointing straight up. Well, that's a start. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryb Posted April 17, 2015 Share #6 Posted April 17, 2015 When I had this problem on a M3 I was able to release the shutter by activating the self timer. That won't fix the inherent problem, but may get you out of a jam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 17, 2015 Share #7 Posted April 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I thought that M3's were protected from failure by the hand of god Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadside Posted April 18, 2015 Share #8 Posted April 18, 2015 I thought that M3's were protected from failure by the hand of god No - That's M4's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAD Posted April 18, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted April 18, 2015 Hello KAD, Welcome to the Forum. What speed was the shutter set at when the camera first began to not operate correctly? What speed is it set at now? Have you changed or tried to change the shutter speed since the problem began? Is there currently film in the camera? If there is currently film in the camera you should rewind it & remove it in order to properly analyze the problem. I, personally, would NOT re-use this roll of film. I would simply develop this roll as a partially exposed roll in order to remove 1 more variable from the list of potential problems. Is the rewind lever pointing up? Is the shutter speed dial wobbly? Does the wheel engage at each detent correctly & does it "click" each step correctly? Is the shutter delay timer partially wound? The shutter delay timer may be partially wound & still be pointing straight up. Well, that's a start. Best Regards, Michael I think more or less all is tried now... film is out (and developed). Tried all settings and self timer. Nothing makes it move. I have talked to one in Norway that have repaired M3 with this failure, and he claim it could happen if you try to advance to soon after you press the shutter button. Also talked to the guyes at Kamera Service in Netherland and they say it most likely are some small filt that block the light that has come loose and ended up in the mechanismen, causing a stop. I will most likely have both my M3 sent of for CLA. This one is CLA'd only a few years back so it was not planned. The other is in need for some CLA, so I guess they can keep eachother company Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 19, 2015 Share #10 Posted April 19, 2015 No - That's M4's That makes perfect sense. Explains why I've been considering an M4 or M4-P for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted April 19, 2015 Share #11 Posted April 19, 2015 OT: Glad to hear things are somewhat resolved. I have right now an MP that is "jammed". The film (at its end) won't advance, the shutter hasn't been advanced enough to release and clear the mechanism and the rewind lever won't move. This is a self-spooled cassette so I can just strip the film off the spool by forcing advance and things should be OK (I use a tape just weak enough to allow this) but I am reminded that this (and all Ms) are relatively complicated things, with parts chains designed not to do something unless something else has been done-completely-first. Let one of these bits go out of position, a cam or seer, and bingo-a jam. And not a 'piece of something stuck in there' kind of jam either. I'll finish the morning expresso first, then I'll see if I have some crow to eat... s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted April 20, 2015 Share #12 Posted April 20, 2015 I had a similar issue as the OP with an M7 some while ago. The issue was tried to be diagnosed in all ways thinkable but could not be resolved with "household methods" unfortunately. I had this very camera completely rebuilt and modified with a few extras in Wetzlar earlier this year and it is better than it ever had been since new. It was concluded that within the film advance mechanism a few unfortunate events met each other and ended in blocking the advance - only disassembly of the film advance and reassembly and adjustment resolved the issue. When this happened, I used a Leica Motor-M with the camera while loading a fresh film (manually winding). The camera blocked midway through the advance. The shutter curtains where not fully wound. The advance lever was blocked. The shutter release was blocked. I am sure, once it returns form CLA, it is a great shooter again. I account these issues as unforeseeable camera issues that are related to the otherwise long service intervals due to usually great dependability of the film Ms. They can happen and need professional attention, rather than a knock on the kitchen counter to fix ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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