lct Posted April 5, 2015 Share #21 Posted April 5, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The M-P strap is the regular 14312 AFAIK. I see no way it can slide if the plastic buckles are inserted far enough but i may be wrong. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243096-carrying-strap-problem/?do=findComment&comment=2792935'>More sharing options...
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250swb Posted April 5, 2015 Share #22 Posted April 5, 2015 Those are the locks that you illustrate, they do nothing other than lock the ring and stop it coming off the strap lug, they don't lock the strap. The buckles are the other things the strap goes through and they set the strap at the chosen length and to stop it slipping. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 5, 2015 Share #23 Posted April 5, 2015 and if in doubt refer to the manual. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243096-carrying-strap-problem/?do=findComment&comment=2793111'>More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 5, 2015 Share #24 Posted April 5, 2015 The Leica strap is threaded through the buckles at the factory and then sewn, such that it can't be undone by the user without cutting it. So if the length adjustment is slipping, then there is only one possibility, the strap is defective. The OP said in his initial post "Now I use an old M6-strap that does the job." so it would rather surprise me if he's even still bothering to read this thread after having been admonished repeatedly to read the manual, as if he were stupid and the problem is his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 5, 2015 Share #25 Posted April 5, 2015 Those are the locks that you illustrate, they do nothing other than lock the ring and stop it coming off the strap lug, they don't lock the strap. The buckles are the other things the strap goes through and they set the strap at the chosen length and to stop it slipping. Yes i meant the locks, sorry for my poor english, but whatever way one may set the buckles, said locks do prevent the strap from sliding actually, provided they are inserted far enough and are not defective of course. Just do the test yourself if you wish. Try to extend the strap length though the buckles. It won't work if you don't unlock one or both locks and allow the strap to slide out of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 5, 2015 Share #26 Posted April 5, 2015 The Leica strap is threaded through the buckles at the factory and then sewn, such that it can't be undone by the user without cutting it.. If it hasn't been sewn that may be the fault, but to identify the fault you've got to know how it's supposed to work don't you? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 5, 2015 Share #27 Posted April 5, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes i meant the locks, sorry for my poor english, but whatever way one may set the buckles, said locks do prevent the strap from sliding actually, provided they are inserted far enough and are not defective of course. Theoretically true, but the issue I had with all these straps is that even when tightly locked, the strap still managed to work it's way through. After taking the cameras out of the bag having had the straps wrapped around them there was always about an inch more strap on one side of each lock (effectively shortening the strap). If it hasn't been sewn that may be the fault, but to identify the fault you've got to know how it's supposed to work don't you? I figured since the OP has an older M6 strap of the same design he would've noticed by comparison if there was an obvious defect. I have had other items (such as dog collars) where the same type of sliding plastic length-adjuster buckles didn't grip securely for some reason. In those cases (where I had no need to ever change the length again) I put a dab of hot-melt glue on the underside (convex side) of the buckle and it solved the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 6, 2015 Share #28 Posted April 6, 2015 I figured since the OP has an older M6 strap of the same design he would've noticed by comparison if there was an obvious defect. I have had other items (such as dog collars) where the same type of sliding plastic length-adjuster buckles didn't grip securely for some reason. In those cases (where I had no need to ever change the length again) I put a dab of hot-melt glue on the underside (convex side) of the buckle and it solved the issue. It shouldn't be forgotten that even if the strap is perfectly correct, it can still be used in a way to cause it to slip. I have seen people with the Leica strap where the length has been adjusted shorter but instead of ensuring both sides are then equalised at the same length below the buckles the owner has left a slack loop on one side. This would not only allow the strap to slide through the lock and make the strap longer again but raises the risk of the lock being undone by being pulled up at the same time. A buckle correctly used on a Leica strap can only get tighter if pulled, that is the point, it would break before it started to slip. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 6, 2015 Share #29 Posted April 6, 2015 I have seen people with the Leica strap where the length has been adjusted shorter but instead of ensuring both sides are then equalised at the same length below the buckles the owner has left a slack loop on one side. This would not only allow the strap to slide through the lock and make the strap longer again That is exactly what happened every time I wound the straps around the bodies to put them in the bag. When I took them out, the strap had slid through the locks and there were slack loops appeared on both sides of the camera. Which is why I stopped using the Leica straps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernst_leitz Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share #30 Posted April 7, 2015 Thank you all for all your advise and views. I am well aware of how the strap works. With the one I have trouble with, it is possible to slide the buckle up/down quite easily when the strap is on the camera. Eventually the strap consequently slides at the ring. This also happens when the camera goes in and out of the "gadget bag". On my old M6-strap the design is slightly different and sliding doesn't occur as above neither at the ring nor the buckle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 8, 2015 Share #31 Posted April 8, 2015 Is your old M6 strap the kind with the "flat" lock sliders and the metal clip with open ends (as opposed to the crossed-ends-ring of the current style)? I have a few of those and always liked them better. The problem Leica had with them was people not reading/understanding the attachment instructions, and if they are not done properly it's quite possible for the camera to slip off and head south. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernst_leitz Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share #32 Posted April 8, 2015 Here are the M6-strap components. The design seems better and sliding is non-existent. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243096-carrying-strap-problem/?do=findComment&comment=2794602'>More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 8, 2015 Share #33 Posted April 8, 2015 Yes, that is the older style I was refering to. Despite some very clear right-way/wrong-way illustrations on the box and in camera manuals, some people hung the strap from the top part (with the opening) instead of the middle part, and done that way it can easily slip off. Also the clip is curved when looked at sideways, and it has to be put through the lugs so the convexity is toward the body. The current strap is much harder to get wrong, but as you found, it lets the strap slip through the locks a bit. And I find the connectors bulky. One nice thing about the older version too, is that if the strap itself gets worn out, the hardware slips off easily. You can take a newer strap, cut or crack off the locking thingys, and replace them with the older hardware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted April 9, 2015 Share #34 Posted April 9, 2015 @ ernst_leitz You really have to push the plastic locks REALLY hard over the split ring - it will find an end position with a strong "snap" and almost completely "swallows" the split ring. This way (as it is designed) you can mount the heaviest M lens, lift the camera + lens just by the strap piece, hanging it all on one strap lug and nothing should move at all. If your strap slips it is either not properly locked or the locks are defective (or you have mounted f2.8 R-Telyt lenses and jump on a trampoline with the camera suspended from your shoulder by the strap, resulting in gradual slippage). I use these modern type Leica straps on a dozen of different (much heavier than Leica M) cameras and never had a strap slip when properly locked down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 9, 2015 Share #35 Posted April 9, 2015 I've owned my share of M cameras over 30+ years, and the plastic retainers on the M240 are the only ones that have ever slipped off, despite locking REALLY hard. After a couple of surprising slips, I routinely check them just to be safe. I might just put my M8.2 strap on the M and be done with it (although I like the M's more flexible shoulder pad better). Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted April 9, 2015 Share #36 Posted April 9, 2015 Do you mean the 14312 strap has changed since the M240? Just curious as i've never used the latter's strap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 9, 2015 Share #37 Posted April 9, 2015 The stock strap on the M240 is definitely different than the one on my M8.2…the pad is more pliable and the strap's webbing material is also different. Leica Service (NJ) confirmed via email to me that the strap design for the new M is indeed different. And, as far as the plastic retainers at the strap end, I suspect not for the better. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 9, 2015 Share #38 Posted April 9, 2015 Speaking about the well-made 14312 straps of a dozen or more years ago, I never had the locks come undone, they always stayed securely snapped down. They held the strap fabric very tightly, so tightly that it took quite some effort to tug the strap through the lock even a little. Which is why it always baffled me how every single time I took the cameras out of the bag after having wrapped the strap around the bodies, both strap loops had slipped about an inch. I could never figure it out. This was with at least a dozen different straps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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