ctb Posted May 15, 2007 Share #1 Posted May 15, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Comments / Criticisms welcomed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 Hi ctb, Take a look here pssstt smile he's taking our photo . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
leicamann Posted May 16, 2007 Share #2 Posted May 16, 2007 Ok..this photo just does not work..everything that should go wrong in a bad photo is seen here. The harsh contrast and shadows ruin it right from the get go . Secondly the crop is confusing..it really doesn't define anything..it would have been better to take the animal in "context". Thirdly.. bright sunny days are seldom a photographers best friend..the best light is mixed, diffuse and overcast. Being digital..you have the flexibility of "working" your shots until you get the desired results.. Thanks for posting Keep in mind....there will be no responses here from other members....for some the quality has to reach the stratosphere in perfection and flawlessness to remotely get any comment and even then you might reach the "other side" of the equation...there are no comments because of envy....all of these things are unfortunate..I think yes we post here to share and get ego points..but sometimes it helps if someone took the time to bother to point out a few things...even though it may be "below Leica standards" Regards, Leicamann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 16, 2007 Share #3 Posted May 16, 2007 Is it just me? I am not seeing a photograph at all, and therefore have nothing to comment upon. Edit: It's because it's a Photobucket link, not an upload onto this server. Our firewall prevents access to such sites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 16, 2007 Share #4 Posted May 16, 2007 Keep in mind....there will be no responses here from other members....for some the quality has to reach the stratosphere in perfection and flawlessness to remotely get any comment and even then you might reach the "other side" of the equation...there are no comments because of envy....all of these things are unfortunate.. John, I agree with just about everything thing you say about the photograph above, but I do think your comments about the lack of comments are a bit out of order and a bit of a slur on your fellow forum members. I know you've been unhappy in the past when some of your images haven't received comments, or maybe not enough comments, but it happens. There are so many photographs posted here that some are bound to 'slip through the net'. To blame it on envy (because I would never class your images as being anything other than excellent) is to miss this. I've posted images myself that I've been very happy with and they haven't been commented on, or maybe just received one comment. But I'd never claim that people were ignoring them because they were envious, and I'd also like to think that they were off an adequate enough standard not to be dismissed out of hand. Bottom line, if some one doesn't comment on a photograph it isn't because of envy IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctb Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted May 16, 2007 Thanks Chaps, appreciate your constructive criticism, and that's exactly what I am after by posting my photo's, I am an amateur, have only just picked up a camera after many years without one, and I need and appreciate your opinions as they help guide me towards taking photo's that one day will compare to you my peers. Thank you all, once again. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted May 16, 2007 Share #6 Posted May 16, 2007 It might be worth trying to bring out some of the shadow detail using a PS or C1 type program. I'll bet there is useful information in there, especially around the eyes and faces. That would give the picture a focal point. As it stands now, it's very contrasty. Try it and if you like it, perhaps you can repost. Cheers, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 16, 2007 Share #7 Posted May 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Chris, Try opening this image in PS, go on Levels and slide the Mid Tone arrow. There is much more detail than meets the eye, and if I were you i'd certainly work on it. Regards, Azzo ps Sorry Doug..Had not seen your post before I posted mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted May 16, 2007 Share #8 Posted May 16, 2007 John, I agree with just about everything thing you say about the photograph above, but I do think your comments about the lack of comments are a bit out of order and a bit of a slur on your fellow forum members. I know you've been unhappy in the past when some of your images haven't received comments, or maybe not enough comments, but it happens. There are so many photographs posted here that some are bound to 'slip through the net'. To blame it on envy (because I would never class your images as being anything other than excellent) is to miss this. I've posted images myself that I've been very happy with and they haven't been commented on, or maybe just received one comment. But I'd never claim that people were ignoring them because they were envious, and I'd also like to think that they were off an adequate enough standard not to be dismissed out of hand. Bottom line, if some one doesn't comment on a photograph it isn't because of envy IMHO. Steve..I think Chris's feedback settles the argument....some people are posting here to get constructive criticism and feedback..I thought so..so now on to the no comment in light of this..how can anyone improve their photography like Chris here if he is ignored???. Will he want to post again? and doesn't this lead or is a kind of alienation? Thats my argument Now for the envy or whatever complex psychological motive that probably is unfathomable to begin with..its happening.. maybe I"m wrong about the envy point.. but the fruit is still the same isn't it...... I have watched..and not my postings either..watched many a beautiful post "sink to the bottom"..why? The whole point of the complaint here is''common folks not everyone is an expert".... is it so painful to type in a few words..to help this guy out? I have been amazed that people who come to the forum who were complete amateurs within a few weeks of getting some positive criticism start to improve and end up being good photographers. And yes we did have a period of time when people were dumping their "memory cards".. but I don't think we see that anymore. Steve you can also watch the "views' and see right away if they are being deliberately ignored....you can't say this is not happening..it is happening...for whatever reason..only God knows. Regards, Leicamann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted May 16, 2007 Share #9 Posted May 16, 2007 Good points, John. Conversely there are poor shots (IMHO) that seem to get loads of responses (often gushing) and have an amazing capacity for "bounce-back-ability". I find this equally inexplicable, but at the end of the day, there's no accounting for taste. Some people like Picasso, some just don't get it at all. It's what makes the world an interesting place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted May 16, 2007 Share #10 Posted May 16, 2007 Conversely there are poor shots (IMHO) that seem to get loads of responses (often gushing) and have an amazing capacity for "bounce-back-ability". I find this equally inexplicable, I don't suppose that the poster would e-mail all their contacts advertising the post and ask them to comment? It's the only explanation I can think of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 16, 2007 Share #11 Posted May 16, 2007 I don't suppose that the poster would e-mail all their contacts advertising the post and ask them to comment? It's the only explanation I can think of. You might well be right on this ! Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzo Posted May 16, 2007 Share #12 Posted May 16, 2007 Chris, Re this image posted... An increase of 35/40% of brightness through mid-tones in PS Levels and an increase of approx 30% saturation, already lifted this image by a good margin. Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejd Posted May 16, 2007 Share #13 Posted May 16, 2007 All the possible improvements notwithstanding, I find the original pic with its caption rather charming and funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctb Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted May 16, 2007 Ok, here is the original unworked photo that I took of the scene, spotted this whilst driving, saw the humour in it, grabed the camera and shot on auto, no regard for composition, light, etc etc. Had the subject's have been frozen in time and I had the oppertunity to retake the photo, I would only have composed the shot better, I am not familiar with the v-lux 1's manual side as yet, and need help and advice to understand it, I have tried reading the book but it failed to sink in, I posted this photo as a last chance ditch to get some help on this forum, for in my opinion that should be the purpose of a furom such as this, to help and assist those struggling in their attempts to understabd photography, if the forum is a show case for perfect photo's then I am sorry to have caused this uproar and unrest, and I will as they say get me coat and not bother you again with my amateur images. However if my assuptions where indeed correct and the reason for the forum being here is to help and assist then I will continue to post, and hopefully get feedback in the way of help, advice, hints and tips to improve my photograpy, I have been told by a member of this forum on an earlier posting that I have an eye for a good photograph, and this is appreciated and encouraging, however what I don't find helpfull, and I appologise to the person that made the comment, is a simple one liner such as this http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/landscape-travel/24348-argyll-tonight.html I know the photo has it's faults, but I don't know what they are, a strange thing to say I suppose, but I think there is something in the shot, I wouldn't have took it otherwise, and I needed pointers in ways of improving the photo, now I am lucky enough to have the boat on my doorstep and given the right light and conditions the shot can be repeated, all I ask is for honest helpfull criticism, I have no objection to people taking my photo and altering it in photoshop or whatever as long as they tell me exactly what they have done, I am on a steep learning curve to coin an american phrase and need all the help I can get, and any help is very much appreciated Here with photo in its original form, take it, alter it, repost it, show me, teach me. Thanks one and all, your helps is appreiated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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azzo Posted May 17, 2007 Share #16 Posted May 17, 2007 Chris, A quick try to improve your image where I shall try to explain what I did. You'll notice a crop and after doing so, I created a duplicate. With the lasso tool at 2px, I picked up parts from the duplicate to hide unwanted subjects, eg the pair of legs and white stones that where disturbing, followed by flattening the image. I also highlighted some parts that where still dark, always with the lasso and levels. When I was satisfied with the cloning, I went on Levels, brightened the mid-tones. I then added some saturation by approx 20%, and also a touch of contrast. This might not be the best way to do it, and i'm sure that there are more capable members who can help especially with colour rendition. ( i'm crap with colour ) I really hope that this helps a bit. ps There's still room for improvement on my try. Best Regards, Azzo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_peter_m Posted May 17, 2007 Share #17 Posted May 17, 2007 This is a interesting discussion and to bad there isn't more of this happening. Some very good comments and suggestion. Chris, I am with you I always assumed that was one purpose of the forum to get some creative criticism and some helpful hints and tips. I do prefer your original to the cropped version the detail and light are much better. Did you adjust the cropped version in any way? Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imported_peter_m Posted May 17, 2007 Share #18 Posted May 17, 2007 My try at the image, Quick work over with Light Machine, select sky in Photoshop and apply cloud filter. Peter [ATTACH]37890[/ATTACH] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted May 17, 2007 Share #19 Posted May 17, 2007 I don't suppose that the poster would e-mail all their contacts advertising the post and ask them to comment? It's the only explanation I can think of. There are clear divisions and cliques when it comes to the photo posts on this forum....those who have been here long enough know it. As far as open critiques go - some people like them, some people hate them. I rip apart my own work on a daily basis....but not everyone would be receptive to what I might say regarding their own. I can sugar coat things with the best of them, but there are times when a bucket of ice water works best. I tend to tread lightly on this forum in that regard, because I know we have photographers that span the spectrum and I am sure most simply enjoy sharing what they have done. I don't mind critique on my work, it only helps me get better - as this is my living, I am always looking to improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctb Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share #20 Posted May 17, 2007 There are clear divisions and cliques when it comes to the photo posts on this forum....those who have been here long enough know it. As far as open critiques go - some people like them, some people hate them. I rip apart my own work on a daily basis....but not everyone would be receptive to what I might say regarding their own. I can sugar coat things with the best of them, but there are times when a bucket of ice water works best. I tend to tread lightly on this forum in that regard, because I know we have photographers that span the spectrum and I am sure most simply enjoy sharing what they have done. I don't mind critique on my work, it only helps me get better - as this is my living, I am always looking to improve. Well I don't mind in the slightest the harshest criticism if it will help me in my quest to produce and take better photographs, DDP fire away, help me, dont use my thread to vent your opinions of what you may think others will want to hear, I posted these images as a last ditch resort to try and get some honest help from this forum, not have the world and his uncle look at my photo's and not comment. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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