satureyes Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share #101 Posted March 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) So before I send my whole kit back to Germany - camera too - I did some tweaking. And I'd love your thoughts on this. Seems like it's pretty good now? I just produced a lovely set with the famous ruler. Focus point was the second largest '0'. The shots are labelled so you can see what's what. The 35mm f1.4 and 90mm f2 are wide open What do you think? The distances are 0,7m, 1m and 2m (only 1m and 2m on the 90) I'm not sure sending the camera back now will yield me much more accuracy? http://adobe.ly/1NYuZFu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted March 16, 2015 Share #102 Posted March 16, 2015 But you still have the problem of backfocusing on real-life images. It might be wise to have your optician check whether your eyes haven't drifted "off-spec" (pun intended ) Especially unnoticed astigmatism can wreak havoc with RF focusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share #103 Posted March 16, 2015 But you still have the problem of backfocussing on real-life images. It might be wise to have your optician check whether your eyes haven't drifted "off-spec" (pun intended ) Especially unnoticed astigmatism can wreak havoc with RF focusing. I do get my eyes checked regularly - I did notice the EVF shots looks a little back focussed which is odd because they weren't the other day. Perhaps I'll get the whole kit sorted once and for all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 16, 2015 Share #104 Posted March 16, 2015 Without trying to sound harsh - I cannot imagine any way that misfocus on EVF shots is anything but pilot error. It happens to me from time to time when the diopter adjustment has been knocked in the wrong position and I don't notice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share #105 Posted March 16, 2015 Without trying to sound harsh - I cannot imagine any way that misfocus on EVF shots is anything but pilot error. It happens to me from time to time when the diopter adjustment has been knocked in the wrong position and I don't notice. but I was using the peaking and rocking the focus there and back to find the 'sweet' spot.. ok but the fact is now that the shots (even back focussed) are all now pretty even between the EVF and RF right? or should they still be sharper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 16, 2015 Share #106 Posted March 16, 2015 Hard to see on the computer, but real life shots should be pretty good - only you can tell for sure. Don't forget you are looking at 24 Mp here, not 18. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 16, 2015 Share #107 Posted March 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Btw, how is it at longer distances? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethbrp Posted March 16, 2015 Share #108 Posted March 16, 2015 So I will be brief with the back story. I had a M 240 as new 18months ago. 2 trips to Germany to fix the IR coding window (one they didn't think there was a problem and then it went back for a part to be replaced) Another trip (so this is now 3) to correct the RF which was out of whack Now 6 months later, a paid shoot ruined because the RF was not aligned again so it went to Germain for the 4th time. It was then agreed that I can get an actual replacement M rather than repaid my original one. Amazing right - so yesterday I picked it up after confirmation it had been checked. Take it hope, pop on my 50 lux (in chrome BTW) and shoot some pics. ALL the shots taken with me using the RF our out of focus even though it showed as being 'in' focus.. unless of course I used the EVF. It wasn't massively scientific but I used a tripod, self timer and a calibration chart to make sure the target was the same in each image. Mailed my results over to London tech guy - who agreed there could be a back focus issue. So.. this morning I was back at the Leica store.. where I was handed yet another camera from new. So 2 replacement is 2 days. Guess what? Camera was a lot better BUT still not tack sharp when focussing using a 50mm 'lux UNLESS I used the EVF. I tried the stores own camera - same issue. I also tried my 90mm, and even 28mm- all seemed to display similar traits. So.. I ask you.. Is this 'within tolerance?' It could be that all of my lenses are out.. but the laws of probability tend to make be believe otherwise. Today - in London..at the Leica store I considered my options and whether I can stay with Leica if i can't be guaranteed an image to be bang in focus then I cannot afford to shoot and mess up again. I honestly don't know what to do. It seems that to recreate the issue: 1) be at the minimal focal distance with whatever lens 2) shoot an image thats in focus using the RF 3) shoot an image in focus using the EVF. 4) while you are set up for the RF focus shoot, look through the EVF.. is the EVF view showing in focus then do the other way around.. focus using EVF and then see if the RF patches have become misaligned. So.. any comments? Please try and indulge me- this is really giving me a headache. I had a not too dissimilar experience myself. My problem was less serious in the the camera RF was going beyond infinity. It was sent back to Leica from London and came back exactly the same. I then tried 2 other samples in the shop, one was marginally better. I ended up keeping my original camera, as I couldn't be bothered to send it back to Leica again. The frustration here is that I don't understand why these simple calibrations cannot be done by a techie in London rather than having to go through the time wasting exercise with Leica Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 16, 2015 Share #109 Posted March 16, 2015 Going beyond infinity is not really a problem, as long as the camera focuses correctly. I have a couple of lenses that will do this. Some longer lenses are even designed to do so. If it does so on all lenses a miniscule adjustment of the roller will usually solve the problem. 5 minutes max in DIY. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share #110 Posted March 20, 2015 Going beyond infinity is not really a problem, as long as the camera focuses correctly. I have a couple of lenses that will do this. Some longer lenses are even designed to do so. If it does so on all lenses a miniscule adjustment of the roller will usually solve the problem. 5 minutes max in DIY. Won't this then throw out the near focus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 20, 2015 Share #111 Posted March 20, 2015 Normally, if used as a small tweak, not. Close focus adjustment is the screw somewhat deeper in the body. Obviously the two interact, but not as much as one would expect. If you keep track of the amount of adjustment it is easily undone too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted March 28, 2015 Share #112 Posted March 28, 2015 Hi Rick, I totally understand your problems with focus. I am also having a backfocus issues with one body. As it only happened with my 135mm I thought it was a lens issue so I sent the lens and camera back to Leica for adjustment. However, while the lens came back a bit improved the issue still remains. This year I got a second body and the focus is perfect with it. Now looking back at shots taken with the first body over the year I have had it, shows that the issue is with the body only as a lot of shots with different lenses are slightly soft. So if I do the "Leica Focus Technique", that is, get the shot perfectly sharp in the rangefinder then refocus the lens by a couple of mil' the shots are perfect. I know my experience is not much help to you, but don't forget that Leica offer a 2 day fast turnaround for about €200 extra per item. As the issue is a Leica issue they should wave the fast turn around charge. By the way, I hope you didn't punch the computer when you got comments like 'get your eye's tested' or 'don't pixel-peep'. If the system is out of focus, then the system is out of focus. I too have had the pain of going to a client with out of focus shots, it is not nice and doesn’t do ones career any good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share #113 Posted March 28, 2015 I thought it fair - and balanced to update the post with the resolution of this. Leica - to their credit pulled out as many stops as possible to get this resolved in a timely manner. So after getting 2 replacement bodies - we (Leica London and I) decided that the only way was to send the whole kit - body and 5 lenses back to Wetzlar. They agreed that they would turn it around within a week - and if not they would lend me a full kit. I figured it was a good plan and an opportunity to get it all sorted once and for all. So off it went - and true to their word - within one week all my kit was back in London. I picked up the kit on Thursday and the tests I did (with the infamous ruler) and it was looking good - all the lenses were pretty spot on from what I could see.. apart from.. the damned 50 'lux. it was still back focussing - quite a lot. I think they tightened the focussing on it but it was quite off. Technical chap in Mayfair agreed with me too. Anyway - I asked to test another 50 from the store and they duly obliged. This one was completely spot on. In a rather excellent move, they took my original 50 'lux and told me that they will swap it with the new one. I was very pleased! So I probably have the most accurately focusing kit in Europe now. The ONLY downer in this was that they apparently removed my little 'thumbie' and it wasn't returned. I'm hoping it will turn up at some point. I also walked out with a new Dlux type 109 too - couldn't resist a new bit of kit for my trip. So that's that- let's hope it's all been worth it. I did send a thank you message to Dr K to thank his team and all the guys in London for being on the ball with this. Credit where credit is due. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 28, 2015 Share #114 Posted March 28, 2015 Within Leica there are probably many who wish you had never been a customer. How long will it be before you complain again that a lens is 2% out of focus? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share #115 Posted March 28, 2015 Within Leica there are probably many who wish you had never been a customer. How long will it be before you complain again that a lens is 2% out of focus? What the hell is that meant to mean? When will I not just blindly accept something because I don't want to upset the fanboys? I thought I ended this with praise for the way the situation was handled - a rather positive note. I don't think your comment added anything to this discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 29, 2015 Share #116 Posted March 29, 2015 What the hell is that meant to mean? I mean what I wrote. I cannot take obsessive metrics seriously when clients, the public, nor anyone but you could perceive problems, nor care at all. When will I not just blindly accept something because I don't want to upset the fanboys? You do not know me well enough to call me a fanboy. I thought I ended this with praise for the way the situation was handled - a rather positive note. How very diplomatic. Diplomacy is a means to ingratiate, but it has to work both ways. Become a great enough pain-in-the-ass and it evaporates. I don't think your comment added anything to this discussion.It does not add to your complaint. True.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share #117 Posted March 29, 2015 I mean what I wrote. I cannot take obsessive metrics seriously when clients, the public, nor anyone but you could perceive problems, nor care at all. You do not know me well enough to call me a fanboy. How very diplomatic. Diplomacy is a means to ingratiate, but it has to work both ways. Become a great enough pain-in-the-ass and it evaporates. It does not add to your complaint. True. . Not sure why you're so angry. I was shooting. The shoot was ruined - see earlier posts. I am not sure what has ruffled your feathers today or where indeed you have your 2% figure from. We all have differing expectations and standards. Clearly yours are not mine. Well done for being a troll though. Impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 29, 2015 Share #118 Posted March 29, 2015 Not sure why you're so angry. I was shooting. The shoot was ruined - see earlier posts. I am not sure what has ruffled your feathers today or where indeed you have your 2% figure from. We all have differing expectations and standards. Clearly yours are not mine. Well done for being a troll though. Impressive. I am not angry, Sir. I rarely experience anger. My standards are almost certainly not yours. We all get by on different aesthetics. In the end, we are perfectly well, good. Troll? That stung. Honestly, I was simply trying to be mean. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted March 29, 2015 Share #119 Posted March 29, 2015 Guys: Get on with your life.. Stop throwing stones.. Can we now consider this Post, Answered & Closed.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share #120 Posted March 29, 2015 Guys: Get on with your life.. Stop throwing stones..Can we now consider this Post, Answered & Closed.. Fine with me- that's was what I was hoping when I made the post about what happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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