fotografr Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share #41 Posted March 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Initially had multiple freezes requiring battery removal but none since last firmware. Then the vertical line on ISO 320 and 640 only. This was a demo and only warranted for one year which has expired so out of luck on this one. The vertical line being a stuck or dead pixel? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paulus Posted March 6, 2015 Share #42 Posted March 6, 2015 Well, for me it matters because this will be my only M(240) and as we all know sometimes repairs can take a long time. If I had multiple copies it wouldn't matter. IMHO when you are a serious photographer, you cannot rely on one camera. Murphy law dictates that... My first experience with Leica many years ago was a failed shutter after 25 frames. I learned the hard way, that even the most reliable camera could be broken. Since then, I always have at least two of them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted March 6, 2015 Share #43 Posted March 6, 2015 Reading through these threads, one gets the impression the M (typ 240) is plagued with problems. Are there people whose copy has been trouble free? Well I don't know how I missed this post The M240 is the most reliable M digital and one of the more reliable camera I have ever used. In that it has never done a thing wrong .... fotografr there are only two reasons people post in equipment forums, to moan or to love. The former is massively dominant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 6, 2015 Share #44 Posted March 6, 2015 Well I don't know how I missed this postThe M240 is the most reliable M digital and one of the more reliable camera I have ever used. In that it has never done a thing wrong .... fotografr there are only two reasons people post in equipment forums, to moan or to love. The former is massively dominant. For making the picture I want, it's indeed a very reliant camera! http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/304310-i-love-my-m.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 6, 2015 Share #45 Posted March 6, 2015 Well, for me it matters because this will be my only M(240) and as we all know sometimes repairs can take a long time. If I had multiple copies it wouldn't matter. My M8.2 provides adequate back-up if needed….and I haven't needed. You don't have to duplicate an expensive M for back-up purposes, but in the digital world having some form of back-up is wise. Even wiser, buy insurance to cover all the things your M warranty doesn't, including loss or theft. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share #46 Posted March 6, 2015 IMHO when you are a serious photographer, you cannot rely on one camera. Murphy law dictates that...My first experience with Leica many years ago was a failed shutter after 25 frames. I learned the hard way, that even the most reliable camera could be broken. Since then, I always have at least two of them... So, I'm not a "serious" photographer if I only have one M(240) body? I worked as a professional photographer for more than 35 years. During that time, when my income relied on getting the shot, I always had multiple camera bodies. I am now retired and shoot for pleasure. I do not feel that somehow makes me not a serious photographer! By the way, I did not say the M(240) would be my ONLY camera. Just that it would be my only M(240). I also own the M Monochrom, DLux (109) and VLux (114). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted March 6, 2015 Share #47 Posted March 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, I'm not a "serious" photographer if I only have one M(240) body? I worked as a professional photographer for more than 35 years. During that time, when my income relied on getting the shot, I always had multiple camera bodies. I am now retired and shoot for pleasure. I do not feel that somehow makes me not a serious photographer! By the way, I did not say the M(240) would be my ONLY camera. Just that it would be my only M(240). I also own the M Monochrom, DLux (109) and VLux (114). I'm sorry for my bad English. I should have said: IMHO one isn't a serious photographer when one relies on one body. I had no intention of offending you personally. Still its an opinion... Although you acknowledge , that a second body is needed in those occasions you' ve mentioned. I don't recall that I said it had to be two M 240.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
db24fps Posted March 6, 2015 Share #48 Posted March 6, 2015 Reading through these threads, one gets the impression the M (typ 240) is plagued with problems. Are there people whose copy has been trouble free? I think it's merely a case that, as with any product, more people are likely to take to the internet to voice a complaint/problem than those who continue to use a product trouble free day in, day out, so naturally we become more exposed to negativity. I wouldn't worry, personally, and I say that as someone who's only digital M (an M240 purchased a year ago that I use for work and pleasure) is currently in Wetzlar for a health check and to have its rangefinder re-calibrated. This is actually the first Leica product I have ever had an issue with, but I've got no reason to write off the fault as a problem with the M itself. It's just one of those things in my case, and certainly as far as its rangefinder is concerned quite a rare issue as supposedly the M240's is a lot less prone to drifting. I've had a couple of random lockups with the EVF use requiring the battery to be ejected, but I've had the Fuji X-E2 that I bought in the M's absence do the odd similarly random thing too (and I am really enjoying the Fuji nevertheless). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted March 6, 2015 Share #49 Posted March 6, 2015 I don't think it has anything to do with complaining, not in my case anyways. If everything works fine I don't feel the need to put that on a forum. If something goes wrong I'd love to hear if anyone has a solution for me. Especially now I have planned a trip to Asia. Anyways, if it keeps freezing (worked fine today) I'll just grab one or two film bodies. Never had problems with those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share #50 Posted March 6, 2015 Speaking of film bodies, I think part of the problem with some of us who starred out with cameras like the M6, MP, M4, and so on, is that we came to expect mechanical perfection. If digital imaging hadn't come along, I know I'd still be using my pair of M6 classic bodies. They were really the best, most reliable cameras I've ever owned. Based on that experience I was extremely eager to get a digital M body. I was one of the first people in the US to jump to the M8 because I bought one from a German dealer before they were available here. My confidence was quickly shattered when I went through three cameras in the first four months due to the sudden death syndrome. I've been kind of "gun shy" ever since, which is why I've waited so long to purchase the M(240). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted March 6, 2015 Share #51 Posted March 6, 2015 Mine has been trouble free for 2 months and around 3,000 clicks. Lots of traveling, one unfortunate drop (about 2 feet down into a soft bag, thankfully ) I feel like I'm jinxing myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 6, 2015 Share #52 Posted March 6, 2015 Initially had multiple freezes requiring battery removal but none since last firmware. Then the vertical line on ISO 320 and 640 only. This was a demo and only warranted for one year which has expired so out of luck on this one. IF not too far out of warranty I'd still suggest discussing it will Leica. They are often very good in such situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 6, 2015 Author Share #53 Posted March 6, 2015 I'm sorry for my bad English. I should have said: IMHO one isn't a serious photographer when one relies on one body. I understand, and I'm sorry for snapping back.. Still, in my opinion, anyone contemplating spending over $7000 on a camera body and who presumably has the lenses (also not inexpensive) to go with it is by definition a serious photographer. Either that, or he's a bit crazy. In addition to cost, the other factor in my buying just one M(240) is that these days I prefer to keep the size and weight of my kit at a minimum. I can fit one M body and four M lenses into my Billingham and that's all I want to carry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted March 7, 2015 Share #54 Posted March 7, 2015 Answering the OP: Of course there are M's that are trouble free. On the Internet, people who want to complain about something outnumber the people who do not. Look at all the auto forums. You would think that some very good cars are unrelibale jalopies. This is not a complaint by me. When there is an issue with something you have bought, especially if you spent a lot of money, it is often useful to know if you are alone or have company, or whether something is easily fixed or not so easily fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 7, 2015 Share #55 Posted March 7, 2015 Speaking of film bodies, I think part of the problem with some of us who starred out with cameras like the M6, MP, M4, and so on, is that we came to expect mechanical perfection. If digital imaging hadn't come along, I know I'd still be using my pair of M6 classic bodies. They were really the best, most reliable cameras I've ever owned. Based on that experience I was extremely eager to get a digital M body. I was one of the first people in the US to jump to the M8 because I bought one from a German dealer before they were available here. My confidence was quickly shattered when I went through three cameras in the first four months due to the sudden death syndrome. I've been kind of "gun shy" ever since, which is why I've waited so long to purchase the M(240). Which was so easily solved in the end by finding out that one batch of transistors was out of spec.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #56 Posted March 7, 2015 Which was so easily solved in the end by finding out that one batch of transistors was out of spec.... Ironically, it was my M8 that got torn down by the technicians in Germany and led to the discovery of the transistor problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 7, 2015 Share #57 Posted March 7, 2015 I have mine just over 6 weeks and have had to have the sensor back to the shop for cleaning 3 times. They are chatting with Leica at the moment. I have owned Nikon gear for many years, constantly changing lenses never had major issues with dust on the sensor. With my M, i only have 1 lens which I have had no reason to remove and fail to understand the dust issues. Anyone with similar problems? JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #58 Posted March 7, 2015 I have mine just over 6 weeks and have had to have the sensor back to the shop for cleaning 3 times. They are chatting with Leica at the moment. I have owned Nikon gear for many years, constantly changing lenses never had major issues with dust on the sensor. With my M, i only have 1 lens which I have had no reason to remove and fail to understand the dust issues. Anyone with similar problems? JB There is virtually no reason not to clean the sensor yourself. It takes less than five minutes and is very safe when using common sense caution. Look into gel sticks made by Eyelead. It's what many camera service and repair technicians use--including those at Leica. http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=eyelead&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=4961921611&ref=pd_sl_7v1vfqp9py_e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 7, 2015 Share #59 Posted March 7, 2015 Thanks for that, but as an example of my concern I was in Dublin just this morning and the dealer cleaned the sensor, all spotless etc. On arriving home an hour later, a quick few shots showed up even more dust spots. The lens hadn't been removed and I am wondering will this persist? I have had to clean sensors on my Nikon and Fuji gear so it is not new to me but a 6 week old camera? Warrantee etc. I haven't seen any major issues on forums re this before. Am I alone in this? JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #60 Posted March 7, 2015 Have you tried carefully using canned air or a rocket blower to clear dust out of the sensor chamber? If the problem is dust, as opposed to specks of lubricant from the shutter, that might solve your problem. If it is lubricant, this will diminish after a few hundred exposures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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