colonel Posted March 8, 2015 Share #121 Posted March 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ah, but you have one. Indifferent video, poor EVF, live view focus peaking not particularly good. It probably does the basics as well, if not better than the M9 and my M60, but it's confused with half-assed additional features. That's why I don't want one - I see it has neither fish nor foul. For me, Leica means doing less things really well. PS - actually, only the M-P does the basics as well as my M60 [emoji16] I think you are comparing the M to cameras it doesn't compete against. The M as a RF experience is excellent. A solid progression. Video is an extra. EVF was fine when introduced and still does an excellent job for framing lenses with no frame line. Live view is as good as any but the RF sensor, general speed and quality are all that you expect. The X100T is still a great camera even though it has poor video, the A7S is a great camera even though it has 12mp, etc. I think Leica has a very solid range. 1. Compact jointly designed with Panasonic 2. Fixed lens prime and zoom options. My advice, make the next X smaller. 3. An APS-c solution that is excellent. What the T needs to soar are a few exceptional f1.4 lenses. I personally buy camera systems for the lenses. 4. M as discussed 5. S as discussed. My 2 cents on the S would be to go for high resolution. The lenses are generally agreed to be off the scale in terms of performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted March 8, 2015 Share #122 Posted March 8, 2015 Harold, I think you missed the bit where I said I love my M cameras. M(240), not so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 8, 2015 Share #123 Posted March 8, 2015 How to tackle the collapsing camera market How to tackle the collapsing camera market (video) | Photo Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted March 8, 2015 Share #124 Posted March 8, 2015 Harold, I think you missed the bit where I said I love my M cameras. M(240), not so much. I love the M240, the best M ever IMHO I love the M7 as the best film camera ever I don't have nostalgia for older less good models .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted March 8, 2015 Share #125 Posted March 8, 2015 How to tackle the collapsing camera market How to tackle the collapsing camera market (video) | Photo Rumors Thanks rosuna, for referral to a very interesting lecture! I'm not sure if this theory that everything should be so fun is the reason for the fall in sales of photographic equipment. But it is quite obvious that the photo industry has come very short when it comes to simplification and standardization. But Fuji should not take away the "wheels" on their X-T1 camera. More camera manufacturers should actually reintroduce them. The so-called "menu-hell" is a much bigger problem. In the world of digital photography, one need not just a camera, but also at any given time, a rather pricey computer with updated software and usable monitor, and a fairly costly photo-printer. The two last decades, very much of world’s consumption has been fueled by borrowed money. Could it be that we actually are entering a period where increasingly more people are forced to restrict their consumption of things one not need? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamison Posted March 8, 2015 Share #126 Posted March 8, 2015 Did you know that a Paul McCartney song was written about Leica? "Biker Like an Icon" Leica is in the title. He wrote about his wife's, Linda's cameras; Leica and Nikon. The video online, shows all B&W images, like they were shot in Leica style. James Shuster Former Leica Product Manager USA '82 Praktikant Leica Schule, Wetzlar '80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 8, 2015 Share #127 Posted March 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I love the M240, the best M ever IMHOI love the M7 as the best film camera ever I don't have nostalgia for older less good models .... I just love what I have, new or old ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted March 8, 2015 Share #128 Posted March 8, 2015 I love the M240, the best M ever IMHO I love the M7 as the best film camera ever I don't have nostalgia for older less good models .... I love the M Monochrom, the most interesting M ever IMHO I love the M6 as the best film camera that preserves the classic analog M camera experience. I don't have a "need" for newer models that putatively offer more, like LV (useful but infrequently used), video (never use it) or a piss-poor EVF (what I really needed for my R's)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted March 9, 2015 Share #129 Posted March 9, 2015 :confused:The S system has been selling far above its projected sales since its introduction.... Axing the R was a very sound decision. With the present declining SLR market I am sure we will never see a Leica DSLR again. As in your Quote, the S system has been selling above it's projected expectations, isn't the S system a DSLR, perhaps you should give this advice to your friends at leica that with the present declining DSLR market it should be more diligent of the consequence, after all we don't want another fiasco do we. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2015 Share #130 Posted March 9, 2015 The 135 class DSLR market is indeed declining due to the advent of the EVF cameras. I don’t know about any mid-format EVF camera, though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 10, 2015 Share #131 Posted March 10, 2015 Today we see Apple going for the "luxury" market too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 10, 2015 Share #132 Posted March 10, 2015 Today we see Apple going for the "luxury" market too... And there already Chinese counterfeits available today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 10, 2015 Share #133 Posted March 10, 2015 Sorry ....... don't buy into most of the posts on this thread ....... .... for a start the strategy and products replacing the current ones are almost certainly in pre-production/prototype stages and will appear whatever the new CEO does ...... and the next generation are probably on the drawing board too....... .... and if the company is making a profit and/or expanding then there is little sense in taking it wildly off the traditional Leica course despite all the carping and moaning about various aspects of the product line. I can't see there will be any major changes that will affect us as users .... certainly not in the short term Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted March 11, 2015 Share #134 Posted March 11, 2015 I would disagree. Planning ahead has to encompass more than a generation at a time and the incremental steps preferred by Leica thus far still essentially retains the same body. This can easily be accelerated by skipping an intermediate iteration. Incorporating more powerful computing, IBIS, a dramatically better sensor--with hardware downsampling-- further improved RF or a real EVF, for example, doesn't dramatically alter much. Just makes the end product more revolutionary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted March 11, 2015 Share #135 Posted March 11, 2015 I would disagree. Planning ahead has to encompass more than a generation at a time and the incremental steps preferred by Leica thus far still essentially retains the same body. This can easily be accelerated by skipping an intermediate iteration. Incorporating more powerful computing, IBIS, a dramatically better sensor--with hardware downsampling-- further improved RF or a real EVF, for example, doesn't dramatically alter much. Just makes the end product more revolutionary. I doubt that IBIS can be fitted in an RF given the registry distance unless the body is made much thicker. I am not sure it's desirable either as IBIS is good for make the blurred caused by the photographer less blurred but no good for pin sharp. Sensors improve over time so not sure what your point is. A real EVF instead of an OVF ? you are kidding of course Not sure you are commenting on anything which isn't or hasn't been done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted March 11, 2015 Share #136 Posted March 11, 2015 I doubt that IBIS can be fitted in an RF given the registry distance unless the body is made much thicker. I am not sure it's desirable either as IBIS is good for make the blurred caused by the photographer less blurred but no good for pin sharp. Sensors improve over time so not sure what your point is. A real EVF instead of an OVF ? you are kidding of course Not sure you are commenting on anything which isn't or hasn't been done. -IBIS doesn't necessarily make it that much thicker-or at all, but is offered up as one possible radical change. I would disagree about your contention regarding blur. Makes a tiny Elmarit or SEM a viable option in the dark, and a Noctilux into a night-vision scope, especially using a Visoflex EVF. -Tweak that RF even further. brighter still, improve accuracy in lower light -don't incrementally increase MP count. As I suggested in an earlier post, go to 75 or 100 or more and include hardware down-sampling so the resulting image is a flawless, artifact-free 24, 36 or 50 MP that really takes advantage of a 50 APO people are wondering about and allows other Leica glass to perform at their full capabilities. Give people 7000€ worth of gear they can get from no one else. -better EVF as in Visoflex with the highest pixel count available. As in a real R solution. And hardware that can handle two or three upgrades thereafter. -nix the video. There's an afterthought if there was one, likely added to the M at the very last minute. Leave that stuff to others who do a better job. -Lenses for other formats. Heresy. Choose two or three and adjust for an E mount. Especially WA. Say, 21 SEM or 18 & 24 and throw in a 75 APO to boot. Something no one else offers. And do so before Sigma comes out with their ART glass in E mount. See the cash flow suddenly improve. Perhaps a short-term solution but uses what you have to keep the brand alive in tough times. These are relatively easy things to implement with existing technology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted March 11, 2015 Share #137 Posted March 11, 2015 Perhaps someone can distinguish the difference the between the X and the T -- same sensor, IQ, one is fixed mount with an old nostalgic look the T is not and looks and acts like an Apple product. Is that the point? Same camera different buyer, is that it? If so, tells you all you need to know about the firm's direction. Okay with me, keeps the bid up for the old stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted March 11, 2015 Share #138 Posted March 11, 2015 Perhaps someone can distinguish the difference the between the X and the T -- same sensor, IQ, one is fixed mount with an old nostalgic look the T is not and looks and acts like an Apple product. Is that the point? Same camera different buyer, is that it? If so, tells you all you need to know about the firm's direction. Okay with me, keeps the bid up for the old stuff. T is a future direction but is only one product like Thom Hogans review of the T is very much mine as well. A good read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 13, 2015 Share #139 Posted March 13, 2015 I like the products (M, S and T). They can evolve and improve, of course, but they are great just like they are now. The problems are: 1) prices and 2) the global collapse in cameras demand (affecting compact cameras the most). The "boutique" market provides protection, relative isolation, and you can keep high prices and margins. But it may work or not. Lets see what happens with Apple gold watches too... I don't know if the prices are (partially) a problem of manufacturing/distribution costs. Anyway, the new CEO starts from a safer point than the previous CEO. Leica is now stronger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raid Amin Posted March 13, 2015 Share #140 Posted March 13, 2015 I am looking forward to discussing with the new CEO some points about Leica AG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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