400 Leica photographers agree: we love CCD!

[DandA]

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I will say and admit that the color palet and output of the Leica Q and SL has certainly addressed some of the color issues many have had with the M240 (although through firmwarw updates the M240 color output has improved). Yet with this said, I still put the M9 raw color output at the top of my list at lower Iso's. I take the improvement of the Q and SL ourput to more closely emulate M9 colow palet as a realization that maybe their initial foray into CMOS wasn't exactly what some had hoped it would be.

 

I sometimes ask myself if prior to the M240, if there were two versions of the M9...one with the corlor output of the CMOS M240 and one with color output of the M9, but both same M9 body with M9 various M9 ISo pwrformance and body performance, which one would most pick.

 

Conversely if there was only the functionality of the M240, one with the color output of the CMOS M240 and one with the color output of the M9 but both with the same higher ISO performance of the M240 and its body performance, which would most pic? Just a question.

 

Dave (D&A)

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[Soden]

My interest in CCD, has to do with the way CMOS doesn't handle rolling shutter. Where I live it's common to have very large TV's for weddings, concerts, etc. The problem is my M240 has trouble in dealing with them. I didn't have that problem with M9. I upgraded because my M9/M developed the dreaded cover issue, but now I am thinking to get another M9 to shoot in these venues.

 

Now that I am looking, I am noticing that it's kind of hard to find used M9's (post upgrade). I easily can find used M240's. I wonder if Leica is pulling as many of them out of circulation as they can. If so, I would be more worried about the lack of used units. I would be happy if leica simply supported the used M9 market. I don't need an upgrade. 

[DezFoto]

My interest in CCD, has to do with the way CMOS doesn't handle rolling shutter. Where I live it's common to have very large TV's for weddings, concerts, etc. The problem is my M240 has trouble in dealing with them. I didn't have that problem with M9. I upgraded because my M9/M developed the dreaded cover issue, but now I am thinking to get another M9 to shoot in these venues.

 

 

CCD cameras also handle LED lights a lot better than CMOS cameras. A friend of mine who shoots a lot of cars shows bought one of my M9's because cars shows are rife with LED lights apparently. 

[S/W]

I love the CCD:

 

The Alps

 

Leica M9-P * Summicron 2.0/50 (V) * f/8.0 * 1/500 sec * ISO 160 * LR 6.xx

[Prosophos]

688 photographers have now signed this letter.

 

https://photographsbypeter.com/2013/11/16/an-open-letter-to-leica/

[james.liam]

688 photographers have now signed this letter.

 

https://photographsbypeter.com/2013/11/16/an-open-letter-to-leica/

 

 

You and Leica part company?

[pico]

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Update:  Over 650 passionate photographers have signed this letter.

Passion without a depo$it is meaningless, merely noise.

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Edited October 22, 2017 by pico

[Prosophos]

You and Leica part company?

 

Yes.

[Prosophos]

Passion without a depo$it is meaningless, merely noise.

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Thank you.  I remember sitting in a tree once during the summer.  The dog wore a blue collar as the visitors were making their way off of the tall ship.

[NB23]

If you want to do things intelligently, and you should, you have to ask those 650 fellows if they appreciate cmos sensors (M10, D5, SL...).

 

If those fellows are honest, 638/650 will answer yes.

 

And so you’ll realize that it was a pathetic attempt.

[hellerkar]

I am one of the 650 fellows.

 

I am honest.

 

I prefer....by leaps and bounds....the rendered images from my M8 and M9 cameras even with some of the technical constraints associated with their older technology.

 

So... 1/650 accounted for.  

 

Any reason for why the tone of several responses to this topic has been so rude?   No need for that, my fellow fellows.

[Archiver]

Thank you.  I remember sitting in a tree once during the summer.  The dog wore a blue collar as the visitors were making their way off of the tall ship.

This is one of the most profound nonsequiturs I've seen in a long time.  Unless there's a reference I'm missing?

[Prosophos]

 

6 year update for the forum:

There are now 723 signatures in my Open Letter to Leica:

https://prosophos.com/2013/11/16/an-open-letter-to-leica/

As I predicted, interest in the M9 has not waned at all.  In fact, it may have increased over time.

Anyone else want to sign?

—Peter.

 

Edited February 9, 2024 by Prosophos

[overexposed]

signed

 

would love to see a 24-30mp ccd sensor in a future M, and enough processing power to make live view work

 

and no BSI!

Edited February 9, 2024 by overexposed

[Prosophos]

13 minutes ago, overexposed said:

signed

 

would love to see a 24-30mp ccd sensor in a future M, and enough processing power to make live view work

 

and no BSI!

Thank you!

—Peter.

[krooj]

Man, I have come full circle on this: started with an M9 ~ 12 years back, sold it to fund an M240 (big mistake), then moved on to a Q, Q2, then an M10, and now an M11. I *just* bought a minty M9 to complement the M11. Looking at the SOOC IQ from two cameras that span 13 years of evolution and I can honestly say that Leica needs to issue an updated CCD M. Perhaps the best path here is to bifurcate the M line into an EVF MILC body with a CMOS sensor and a secondary body which maintains the traditional rangefinder and uses a CCD sensor.

Personally, I'd happily pay $10~12K for a 36mp or 48mp CCD M body with some updated electronics - screen, battery, etc. It's not like resurrecting the KAF design is impossible - yeah, ON-Semi owns the IP, but it's not like they'd say "no" to Leica wanting an update to that KAF sensor.

[justj]

+1 I am now a CCD convert.