Guest Walt Posted May 12, 2007 Share #1 Posted May 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) In reading the new laundry list there are a lot of good and important ideas, but I do not see my biggest problem with this camera mentioned. It is not a software issue, though software changes might be one solution. I walk around with the camera on my right shoulder, the power switch on. The movement of the rear of the camera against my side and back almost always activates some rear buttons, usually harmlessly (usually just the set screen is brought up). But I have now twice had all frames locked (protected) by this random button pushing. This means that the play, protect, thumbwheel (all) and set buttons have spontaneously operated in order. I assume that it is only a matter of time until the play, delete, thumbwheel, set buttons get pushed in order, which would delete all the frames on the card. Both my current bodies do this and two returned bodies (failures) did this. What is needed here is a ridge to the left of the vertical row of buttons so that they are not activated by the back of the camera bouncing on a flat surface. In the meantime I have the auto off at 2 minutes to reduce the opportunity, but this only half solves the problem. Shutting off the camera power switch off is *not* an option for me--the startup is simply too slow for the way I use the camera. Any other thoughts on this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chetccox Posted May 12, 2007 Share #2 Posted May 12, 2007 Putting a ridge by the buttons is not a 'laundry list' but rather 'buy new clothes'. I suggest you put your camera in a laundry bag (Luigi half case, for example) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted May 12, 2007 Share #3 Posted May 12, 2007 When I carry the M8 over my shoulder, I always do it with the lens facing in against my body. This also tends to keep my arm (with sunscreen, etc. sometimes) away from the eyepiece of the finder and makes it bit less likely that the lens will snag on anything or be bumped by a passer-by, etc. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted May 12, 2007 Share #4 Posted May 12, 2007 I think almost all pros do this, carry the lens facing in, especially with dlsrs and long zooms. If you have the strap the right length you can get the body under your elbow if needs be to stop it from swinging while you run for the great shot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 12, 2007 Share #5 Posted May 12, 2007 I carry my M8 with lens in so it tucks under my arm but more important on the street it is ready to shoot like this just by reaching under with your right hand and it naturally lands on the grip to lift and shoot. There really is no way to protect the buttons and really any Digital camera they all have them on the back, this way though it does stay away from your body Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walt Posted May 12, 2007 Share #6 Posted May 12, 2007 Well I have been carrying Leicas lens out for 40 years (this September will be the 40th anniversary of my first M4, a gift from an aunt for the beginning of my college junior year). And it just never occured to me to turn it around--amazing how habits die hard. I just tried the new approach and it seems to work fine, so I'll give it a try. Thanks for the obvious, good idea. For those who think all pros carry cameras lens in, I learned how to use a Leica from Cartier-Bresson, who was a family friend. He carried his lens out; but, then, he didn't have any buttons on the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 12, 2007 Share #7 Posted May 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well it does make it a touch harder to shoot from the hip too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted May 12, 2007 Share #8 Posted May 12, 2007 Hmm, never thought about carrying camera like that. Will try. Another idea is to fashion out of thick mat board, plastic, or metal (black preferably) a couple of ridges to go on either side of the buttons (and menu button while at it). One could even get away with just protecting the delete and protect buttons. The trick would be finding an adhesive medium that would both be strong enough yet ultimately reversible. Any ideas out there? Back tape would probably work over the top of the ridges, but wouldn't be cosmetically good looking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertwright Posted May 12, 2007 Share #9 Posted May 12, 2007 Well I have been carrying Leicas lens out for 40 years (this September will be the 40th anniversary of my first M4, a gift from an aunt for the beginning of my college junior year). And it just never occured to me to turn it around--amazing how habits die hard. I just tried the new approach and it seems to work fine, so I'll give it a try. Thanks for the obvious, good idea. For those who think all pros carry cameras lens in, I learned how to use a Leica from Cartier-Bresson, who was a family friend. He carried his lens out; but, then, he didn't have any buttons on the back. well i learned the focus tab preset 5-foot trick from none other than....mike johnston...ouch... always someting to learn. besides, HCB was an amateur.... in the best sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Walt Posted May 12, 2007 Share #10 Posted May 12, 2007 Yes, he was an amateur in the best sense. And he was, in my impression, technically not very interested, knowledgable or proficient. Which might be a lesson for some of us. In any case, he failed to anticipate the M8 and was certainly carrying his camera backwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted May 12, 2007 Share #11 Posted May 12, 2007 IMO walking around, IE carrying the camera, with the lens turned into your body is just, what's the right word (I won't use it here because it really doesn't fit the members of this forum), well not right. It makes the camera less accessible to the user, uncomfortable to have a lens pressing into you and then you have to contort the strap to get the viewfinder to your eye. whether you carry it over one shoulder hanging at your side or around your neck (very uncomfortable even with a Leica M). I'll keep carrying all cameras in my own way. Strap over my right shoulder then going across my back and chest and under my left arm and camera facing the correct way, lens out, hanging either at my left side right at my belt line or in the middle to the bottom of my chest. Also when walking I always keep one hand on the camera, right or left, unless I need both hands to something other then taking pictures. And yes I have brought the camera up to my eye with either a image or the SET screen showing on the LCD screen. So even though I have one hand on the camera 95% of the time at some point a back button gets pressed. No big deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted May 12, 2007 Share #12 Posted May 12, 2007 Okay, here you go. Took about 10-15 minutes with 4 ply mat board and black photo tape. I'm sure others can improve - the ultimate would be a full frame going around the lot. Fortunately there's a lot of black space on the preview to the left so the tape doesn't cover any of the image. No idea how well it works in real life situations but seems fairly rugged and rubbing it against my side I didn't activate any of the buttons. IMO this would have been a nice design feature in the first place. Oh well. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/23960-accidental-rear-button-push/?do=findComment&comment=253330'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 12, 2007 Share #13 Posted May 12, 2007 For the last 40+ years it has always been lens out for me but I have to admit to sometimes feeling like a bit of a tourist. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/23960-accidental-rear-button-push/?do=findComment&comment=253362'>More sharing options...
Guest Walt Posted May 13, 2007 Share #14 Posted May 13, 2007 Charles-- Thanks, that's what I had in mind. Too bad Leica didn't think about it. Canons I've used do not have this problem by the way. I spent the day shooting and with the lens to the body, the strap becomes extremely awkward in bringing the camera up to the face. I'm going to stay with it for a while and see if I can make it work, but I'm doubtful because of the strap twisting. If I go back to my old way I am going to be careful not to keep too many images on a card, because one day this random button pressing is going to erase all of them. This is not just a matter of bringing up the play or set screens, but of sequential pushes and twists that are producing results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted May 13, 2007 Share #15 Posted May 13, 2007 Just building a ridge around the "set" button ought to do it. None of the bad things that the other buttons tee up will be carried out if you don't "set" to approve them. Or did I miss something? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
finkaudio Posted May 13, 2007 Share #16 Posted May 13, 2007 Hi, I should be pretty esay to change the firmware and put the buttons into a "Sleep Mode" after a while and bring it back by pressing a button for 2 sec. or so.... Best regards KH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laki Posted May 13, 2007 Share #17 Posted May 13, 2007 hi, why not put a key-lock function (by software) in the menu or by pressing two buttons? i mean like the mobile phones have this function, by pressing menu + set for example you lock the buttons and by pressing the same combination again you can unlock it. this should be easy to be done by software. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted May 13, 2007 Share #18 Posted May 13, 2007 That's a good. Protect+Set (3 secs). Luigi case doesn't help--my buttons get pressed more because handling the case presses them all at once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 13, 2007 Share #19 Posted May 13, 2007 I think there must a big variation in the stiffness of the back buttons just like there is on the stiffness of the power switch. I always carry mine lens out and I have not had a single instance of an inadvertent back panel button push. I can see when it does happen, it must be very irritating. I have however had a number of times when my power switch has been knocked on or off accidentally. I am now very careful when I put the M8 in the bag and recheck the power has not been switched on. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philinflash Posted May 13, 2007 Share #20 Posted May 13, 2007 ... the power switch on. ... Why "on"? That seems to be the root of the problem. The camera powers up in about the same time it takes to get to eye level. Saves battery juice, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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