Stealth3kpl Posted November 20, 2014 Share #1 Posted November 20, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) valerian Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted November 21, 2014 Share #2 Posted November 21, 2014 Hmmm - Pete Turner, in his film days, had a table in his studio conference room. The base was a large wire trash basket, filled to the brim with discarded Kodachromes. There was a sign on it - "Love's Labors Lost." I don't see a difference between Pete tossing out dud slides then, and his pressing the delete button on his Nikons today. (Except it lowered his furniture expense ) As to the comment itself, it presents as a political attack ad. "Candidate B is DANGEROUS-s-s-s!" There are much better arguments for film than such "oogie-boogie-the-bad-man-is-out-to-get-you" polemics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr237 Posted November 21, 2014 Share #3 Posted November 21, 2014 There have been many meaningful, relevant, and thoughtful comments on the differences of film and digital. This article is not one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stealth3kpl Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted November 21, 2014 I don't see a difference between Pete tossing out dud slides then, and his pressing the delete button on his Nikons today. . I'm certainly guilty of this. I get my discs back from the scanners, make an initial selection then never revisit the disc. One day I might, and at least I have the disc and the negatives. I've also taken plenty of shots that were misjudged, or simply by accident. These I'm less likely to discard; they're still a memory to me, and they often have an artistic merit that isn't forced by a concious decision, so his words resonate a little more with me. Maybe it's the Lomo effect. Everyone is different. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2014 Share #6 Posted November 21, 2014 Digital is always correct:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 21, 2014 Share #7 Posted November 21, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) There are many different intentionalities in photography, but I think the spirit of the statement was that users of film often (though not always) embrace the medium's imperfections: grain, the swirling textures of wet collodion, even light leaks or color shifts. Whereas digital strives to erase any 'imperfection' in the process - and digital errors (card errors, dead pixel lines, noise and so on) are generally ugly artifacts that almost never enhance the visual value of an image. I thought it was an interesting perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2014 Share #8 Posted November 21, 2014 Well, I am with Andy. I still remember the rigorous culling of my slides, mostly for Pilot Error . I don't think there is much difference between film and digital in this respect for me. Come to think of it, there is not much difference in most aspects... this debate is as dead as a doornail imo, has been for years. And I don't agree that digital strives to erase imperfections, they can be used as much as film imperfections. The ugly artefacts are produced by the user, not by the medium, just as with film. Or are you saying that it is impossible to produce a crappy photograph on film?? You don't have to like it, but I think I used the limitations of digital here instead of fighting them: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237383-digital-is-dangerous/?do=findComment&comment=2711200'>More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted November 21, 2014 This is also digital, and I rather like it (Yosemite) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! but I think he was saying that if you see some flare or a poor composition, the tendency is to retake the digital image whereas, with film, it's like a box of chocolates, as Forest Gump would say. Pete Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! but I think he was saying that if you see some flare or a poor composition, the tendency is to retake the digital image whereas, with film, it's like a box of chocolates, as Forest Gump would say. Pete ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237383-digital-is-dangerous/?do=findComment&comment=2711236'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted November 21, 2014 Share #10 Posted November 21, 2014 valerian Pete Pete despite my backups I just lost almost all my photos stored on an external hard drive, despite recovery software All my negatives 1970s are still there, properly stored in folders The second reason to say : "Back to film" Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2014 Share #11 Posted November 21, 2014 @Pete Not me, when using film I actually used more shots, as I felt more need to exposure and/or focus bracket. Now I can check if I am unsure. Composition - I don't think chimping is useful. It will look completely different on a large screen and a print. I leave my digital shots in my box of chocolates in that respect. Only it is dark instead of milk . High res digital has the advantage that one can shoot a bit more loosely as there is little to no quality loss in sensible cropping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2014 Share #12 Posted November 21, 2014 Pete despite my backups I just lost almost all my photos stored on an external hard drive, despite recovery software All my negatives 1970s are still there, properly stored in folders The second reason to say : "Back to film" Best Henry Errr.. Backup? My images are on four drives, two in RAID in the computer, one onsite external and one offsite NAS... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted November 21, 2014 Share #13 Posted November 21, 2014 Errr.. Backup? My images are on four drives, two in RAID in the computer, one onsite external and one offsite NAS... You are a lucky man Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 21, 2014 Share #14 Posted November 21, 2014 Or are you saying that it is impossible to produce a crappy photograph on film?? My own first-hand experience would never allow me to hold that position, but it really wasn't what the discussion was about. I think we interpret these statements the way we will, regardless of the original intent, so each of us can take away from it as much or as little as we want. I like your image - its artistry is not digital or film, and could have been taken with either, incidentally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted November 21, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 21, 2014 Errr.. Backup? My images are on four drives, two in RAID in the computer, one onsite external and one offsite NAS... Just as a sidenote, and not really appropriate in this thread, a couple month's ago there were some new concerns about the security of NAS systems, and also how they can be used as back doors into a user's own firewalled systems. As images are a favorite target for criminals encrypting computers as hostage for bitcoins, none of us should feel totally complacent regardless of how many backups we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2014 Share #16 Posted November 21, 2014 its artistry is not digital or film, and could have been taken with either, incidentally Exactly my point - and exactly why these discussions are so pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted November 27, 2014 Share #17 Posted November 27, 2014 Digital photography is every bit like Cyber sex: Easy, and so totally non gratifying and unsatisfying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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