Rolo Posted June 7, 2007 Share #41 Posted June 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, Thank you for sharing. I am always asking my wife to not keep her purse over her shoulder and UNDER the seat belt for exactly the reason that this "soft" item contains a lot of hard items, and they can do serious damage if you get into an accident. I have not, however, considered the risk to myself while I carry my satchel over my shoulder while on my motorcycle. Thanks. Per It's a conundrum, I've ridden 50,000 miles in the last 8 years and didn't hesitate to take my jacket off, or ride with a Rollei 35S in my pocket, or a Leica hanging on the neckstrap, but no more. I now see too much of what has happened to some. I still bike a lot, far and fast, but without back packs and wires round my neck. At least it's not as dangerous as horse riding. That camera strap, or handbag, caught on the mirror of a bike in a slide at 50 mph will take your head off if you're going in a different direction. That Rollei could take my hip out. But it's everywhere - Why do you think Volvo supply their cars with a knife to cut a seatbelt ? When an side airbag explodes, where do the shards of plastic trim go? Keep the rubber on the road. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jlm Posted June 7, 2007 Share #42 Posted June 7, 2007 call me a dinosaur, but after owning many Triumphs, BSA's, Nortons, Hondas, Maicos, Husqvarnas, BMW;s, (even a Cushman, egad!) I now ride a HD Road King and love it. Just came back from 900 miles on and Electroglide in New Mexico with passenger and the M8. camera worked fine. Absolutely wonderful landscape for 360 degrees, but the biggest problem was the pia of pulling over, stopping, removing helmet, extracting camera from saddlebag, etc. kept the camera in its padded A&A bag int the rear luggage compartment, away from the wheels and heat of the saddle bags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted June 8, 2007 Share #43 Posted June 8, 2007 call me a dinosaur, but after owning many Triumphs, BSA's, Nortons, Hondas, Maicos, Husqvarnas, BMW;s, (even a Cushman, egad!) I now ride a HD Road King and love it. Just came back from 900 miles on and Electroglide in New Mexico with passenger and the M8. camera worked fine. Absolutely wonderful landscape for 360 degrees, but the biggest problem was the pia of pulling over, stopping, removing helmet, extracting camera from saddlebag, etc. kept the camera in its padded A&A bag int the rear luggage compartment, away from the wheels and heat of the saddle bags. Hi John, We've had a lot of Road Kings on tour and used a small fleet of them for a tour we did for Daimler-Chrysler in 2003. It isn't quite fashionable in most Harley circles to use a tank bag but there are some magnetic bags that can go on the RK without blocking the speedo. One just has to reach under the bag a little to turn the ignition position switch. We had quite a few people riding with RKs and tank bags. It certainly would make your camera more accessible. If you're interested I'll see if I find one of the bags we used and I'll tell you what it was. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted June 8, 2007 Share #44 Posted June 8, 2007 I now ride a HD Road King and love it. My last mount before this one was a 1550cc Road King. I used it with a Corbin single seat and strapped a backpack, cover up, in the pillion position. If the pillion seat was in position I loaded my camera gear into the hard side panniers in a narrow bag that enabled me access to the gear without withdrawing it. These have the advantage of opening up towards you and provides a solid shelf on which to store film/filters/lenses etc. Great fun and a fabulous group of people riding them. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted June 8, 2007 Share #45 Posted June 8, 2007 I always felt that the tank bag was the place to keep my camera whilst riding. 50,000 miles on a K1100 and never a problem with cameras carried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 9, 2007 Share #46 Posted June 9, 2007 Yep, is there some obscure reason for Leica users, when bikers, are typically BMW users ? It is not the first thread in which this fact appears, and me too am in this gang (old R65 LS twin) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dist Posted June 9, 2007 Share #47 Posted June 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Forgive me for further hijacking this thread - I have nothing to contribute to the M8 & Vibration Resistance topic (other than the fact that I am a seismologist, so I'm supposed to know a bit or two about vibration per se Anyway, what I wanted to say (Attention! The following is to be taken with a grain of salt! I am NOT repeat NOT insulting anyone!) was how funny it is to see the entirely different reputation of BMW bikes outside Germany. Over here (BMW has a market share of about 20% in motorcycles!), BMWs are mostly considered overengineered, plastic-ridden, awfully ugly bikes for typical wimpy weekend riders who mount a bike only after having studied the weather forecast for the next 48 hours and being convinced of 0% precipitation probability . And of course they only wear BMW certified apparel, head to toe. This verdict does not apply to the older carburettor models which are generally considered cool if a bit awkward. Myself, I ride a Triumph T709 ("Tiger", 885cc) btw. Nice to hear that BMWs are really taken for a ride by some people. I am sure the build quality is excellent and the bikes deserve being ridden like they were meant to be, not being spray washed after every 50 miles of road use... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted June 9, 2007 Share #48 Posted June 9, 2007 Forgive me for further hijacking this thread - I have nothing to contribute to the M8 & Vibration Resistance topic (other than the fact that I am a seismologist, so I'm supposed to know a bit or two about vibration per se Anyway, what I wanted to say (Attention! The following is to be taken with a grain of salt! I am NOT repeat NOT insulting anyone!) was how funny it is to see the entirely different reputation of BMW bikes outside Germany. Over here (BMW has a market share of about 20% in motorcycles!), BMWs are mostly considered overengineered, plastic-ridden, awfully ugly bikes for typical wimpy weekend riders who mount a bike only after having studied the weather forecast for the next 48 hours and being convinced of 0% precipitation probability . And of course they only wear BMW certified apparel, head to toe. This verdict does not apply to the older carburettor models which are generally considered cool if a bit awkward. Myself, I ride a Triumph T709 ("Tiger", 885cc) btw. Nice to hear that BMWs are really taken for a ride by some people. I am sure the build quality is excellent and the bikes deserve being ridden like they were meant to be, not being spray washed after every 50 miles of road use... In the US, BMW is largely seen as a "rider's motorcycle" and BMW riders tend to be found travelling all over the place, esp. in rain, snow, etc. A scenario: It's 40 degrees F on a February day in Vermont and you see a motorcycle approaching you on a mountain road, odds are very good its a BMW. That said, I'm actually brand agnostic but BMW riders here tend to be experienced, skilled and well-travelled. That's not to say they're the only ones meeting that description, of course. The cross-over models for sport-touring riders here tend to be the ST-1100/1300, Yamaha FJR, 1800 Wing, etc. That's my take on things, at least, based on travelling with more than a thousand clients/riders over the past 11 years. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share #49 Posted June 10, 2007 As Sean says, in the United States BMW's are disproportionately represented (relative to their market share) among serious long-haul and ride-all-year motorcyclists. Like Leicas in the photography world, they don't typically appeal to newcomers, but are generally prized by the slightly older, more experienced crowd. I'm just back from my second trip. This was to a BMW rally at the southern end of the the Blue Ridge Parkway - a 469-mile-long scenic roadway through the Blue Ridge mountains of Virginia and North Carolina, and one of the finest motorcycling and photography roads in the world. Alas, I didn't take many pictures. One of the problems I have when riding a good road is... stopping. The swift flow through the curves becomes so enrapturing that I just can't make myself turn off into the overlooks. Not to mention that all those people you just passed on the double-yellow will get back in front of you! I always regret the not-stopping when I get back home. But that's the way it's always been for me. I took a full-size Gitzo tripod w/ball head with me, but never used it. Back to the thread topic, I found myself so into this-is-not-a-problem mode vis-a-vis the vibration concerns that I ran nearly a thousand miles of the parkway in lower gear, higher rpm sport mode. I simply had no sense that this was going to be an issue. Two quick grab shots here, just to show that vibration damage has yet to assert itself (well, at least the kind that comes from the motorcycle!). The first is of the cabin where we stayed the first night, just to give a sense of what kind of country this was. Light levels were falling fast and even at 2500 iso the shutter speed was only 1/11 sec, on a 28 Cron. The second shot was the next morning, just to give a sense of what the rally site looked like, using the CV15. First rally I've ever been to. Dunno know if I'll do another. Jeff Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/23730-m8-motorcycles-vibration-resistance/?do=findComment&comment=277604'>More sharing options...
andyturk Posted July 17, 2007 Share #50 Posted July 17, 2007 Real riders choose KTM: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 17, 2007 Share #51 Posted July 17, 2007 In '90 I went for a ride with a friend, him on his 750 Ninja, me on my Yamaha SRX 600 S, a classic-sporty single cylinder, very small and light naked bike. We ended up riding Toronto-Ottawa-Vancouver-Los Angeles-Grand Canyon-Great Salt Lake-Estes Park-Detroit-Toronto, 19000km and 37 days. What a trip that was. I would love to go again, but I have a feeling that if I went on a trip like that today, it would be on a BMW R1100S, significantly better equipped with tent, sleeping bag and so on, and that it would lose the raw feeling it had at the time. I do need to scan those negatives in and get them online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted July 17, 2007 Share #52 Posted July 17, 2007 Hi Having had a K1200RS for long time and a 1200GS now, taking always my cameras with me (mostly Nikon), my conclusions are the following: - The motor vibrations are IHMO probably less important than shaking from bad roads (maybe in USA this is not such an issue, but here in Europe it is) - The risk for the camera comes more from falling, stealing, loosing, sand, dirt ....... - Never carry it in a hard case. Foam, unless it is not very soft, does not absorb much vibrations - I always carry my camera in the tank bag, this allows me to take it our quickly. In then tankbag I have soft foam plus other soft things (like used t-shirts, lol). - I consider the tank-bag to be the safest place, as it is almost in the middle of the bike and therefore it is the most "comfortable" place. But to be honest, personally I would't take my M8 on a motorbike trip, at least not now (maybe once it is more used). For the typical landscape photos, other cameras do nearly as well, with less risk. Anyway, have fun Stephan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted July 17, 2007 Share #53 Posted July 17, 2007 Sorry, but also being from Germany I can not agree with the described image regarding BMW-Bikes. They dont have the image to be the prettiest or coolest Bikes, but they have the image (and this is not only an image) to be Bikes which work and a rereliable. Specially the GS Bikes are reviewed and known as excellent reliable bikes for touring and "adventure". You can pack them heavy and they are still going through the curves pretty good. ABS makes them even more safe for bad weather, the boxer-motors are workhorses. (I know some may say they dont need ABS, and very good riders might not, but I bet the higher percantage of riders could benefit) Maybe they are not as "cool" as some other brands - however personally function to me is more important than optics. Forgive me for further hijacking this thread - I have nothing to contribute to the M8 & Vibration Resistance topic (other than the fact that I am a seismologist, so I'm supposed to know a bit or two about vibration per se Anyway, what I wanted to say (Attention! The following is to be taken with a grain of salt! I am NOT repeat NOT insulting anyone!) was how funny it is to see the entirely different reputation of BMW bikes outside Germany. Over here (BMW has a market share of about 20% in motorcycles!), BMWs are mostly considered overengineered, plastic-ridden, awfully ugly bikes for typical wimpy weekend riders who mount a bike only after having studied the weather forecast for the next 48 hours and being convinced of 0% precipitation probability . And of course they only wear BMW certified apparel, head to toe. This verdict does not apply to the older carburettor models which are generally considered cool if a bit awkward. Myself, I ride a Triumph T709 ("Tiger", 885cc) btw. Nice to hear that BMWs are really taken for a ride by some people. I am sure the build quality is excellent and the bikes deserve being ridden like they were meant to be, not being spray washed after every 50 miles of road use... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Hatcher Posted July 17, 2007 Share #54 Posted July 17, 2007 Sorry, but also being from Germany I can not agree with the described image regarding BMW-Bikes... I read a lot of criticism on the Internet of both my BMW motorbike and my Leica M8. Of course both have their strengths and weaknesses. Meanwhile I am so busy enjoying both of them that I don't have the time to defend the honor of either one. I think I will switch to carrying my camera in the tank bag. What kind of foam would be the best for making a padded insert? I am thinking something that is "slow-expanding" for lack of a better term might damp the vibrations better. I have a Temur-pedic "memory foam" pillow I don't like much for sleeping - maybe I will repurpose it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan_w Posted July 17, 2007 Share #55 Posted July 17, 2007 I think I will switch to carrying my camera in the tank bag. What kind of foam would be the best for making a padded insert? I am thinking something that is "slow-expanding" for lack of a better term might damp the vibrations better. I have a Temur-pedic "memory foam" pillow I don't like much for sleeping - maybe I will repurpose it. I would consider this plastic sheets with air bulbs in it, when you take 2-3 layers this should give a very good and absorbing ground. On my GS, there is a "deepest" point in the tankbag, near the driver, I put it always there. I alwo have some plastic bags for th case of long rain .......btw, another issue is the battery charger, I really don't know why every company has to make it's own batteries and chargers. This is why I sometimes just prefer AAs, in the worst case you can buy them at every corner! Btw, sorry for hacking your thread, I actually need a solution for my Harley Dyna, the best would be a tank-bag, but is this possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Hoge Posted July 17, 2007 Share #56 Posted July 17, 2007 Real riders choose KTM: Where are the "real" riders? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmoprem Posted February 26, 2017 Share #57 Posted February 26, 2017 As you can see from this image from a week long trip through Blue Ridge Parkway and nearby regions, I travel pretty lightly. Just that one back strapped to the tail of the ol' Ducati Paul Smart LE. Typically, I dress not for the ride, but for the crash, which also includes camera gear. I was carrying a D Lux 5 on this trip, which I consider a "disposable Leica", something I wouldn't get too worried about if I was involved in an accident. Really, all that is in the bag are toiletries, maps, rain gear, one pair of bluejeans and underwear to wear under full leathers...and the little point-n-shoot Leica. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/23730-m8-motorcycles-vibration-resistance/?do=findComment&comment=3222225'>More sharing options...
Ernstk Posted March 1, 2017 Share #58 Posted March 1, 2017 As you can see from this image from a week long trip through Blue Ridge Parkway and nearby regions, I travel pretty lightly. Just that one back strapped to the tail of the ol' Ducati Paul Smart LE. Typically, I dress not for the ride, but for the crash, which also includes camera gear. I was carrying a D Lux 5 on this trip, which I consider a "disposable Leica", something I wouldn't get too worried about if I was involved in an accident. Really, all that is in the bag are toiletries, maps, rain gear, one pair of bluejeans and underwear to wear under full leathers...and the little point-n-shoot Leica. Lovely bike. I had a 748R until recently. Ernst Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/23730-m8-motorcycles-vibration-resistance/?do=findComment&comment=3224604'>More sharing options...
Desmoprem Posted March 18, 2017 Share #59 Posted March 18, 2017 Lovely bike. I had a 748R until recently. Ernst Ducati 748R Loch Lochy.jpg I hope your parting with the 748R was planned. I had to sell the Paul Smart to help defray the expenses associated with surgery to remove a brain tumor from my wife. I hope to return to being a Ducatista very soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 31, 2017 Share #60 Posted March 31, 2017 Real riders choose KTM: Notice the transparent tree at about 2 o'clock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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