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But I do use the EVF. The last month was 5700 shots with 2/3 rds EVF. I don't think, however, that wear had anything to do with it. After all, after the glitch the camera kept working.

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Jaap - with the slow shutter recock, I'm just wondering if the same thing happened to me (you'll maybe be able to tell from my description). Background: I have a new M-P (240). Probably about 500 actuations at most. I was doing a magazine shoot. Card is a new Sandisk Extreme Pro 64gb, 95 mb/s. Fresh battery. Not in continuous mode, not using LV or EVF (wasn't even on the cam). Temp outside, around 8-10 Celsius. Shutter speed on 'A'. Latest firmware since the cam is new.

 

Took a picture at the end of the shoot...shutter just went 'click' but didn't seem to recock...almost similar sound to the M9 in old discreet mode if that makes sense. Sounded like a 'partial M240 shutter sound'...if that makes sense. Red light stayed on (blinking I think if I remember). I turned the power off. Light stayed on. Took the battery out and put back in. Seemed to work and didn't lose any images (thank god since it was a paying shoot). Hasn't happened again.

 

I wanted to compare notes, since I'm wondering about the 'hardware' fix you spoke of...if I should look into this, and what the specifics are. Cheers!

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Am I the only one who is surprised to read that 35 Summicrons are glued together? Is it just certain versions (i.e. the V4, which I understand contains a big chunk of plastic), or does that include the version 1, and the current aspherical version?

 

Best wishes all,

 

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It's too bad if the M240 throws a code there isn't a menu item that lets the owner call it up. On many cars there is. That way the repair department could diagnose remotely and advise the owner of the urgency of repair.

Well, on my car there isn't. And it is one of the most computer driven ones around. The remote diagnose facility requires the dealer to log in at Mitsubishi Japan.

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Jaap - with the slow shutter recock, I'm just wondering if the same thing happened to me (you'll maybe be able to tell from my description). Background: I have a new M-P (240). Probably about 500 actuations at most. I was doing a magazine shoot. Card is a new Sandisk Extreme Pro 64gb, 95 mb/s. Fresh battery. Not in continuous mode, not using LV or EVF (wasn't even on the cam). Temp outside, around 8-10 Celsius. Shutter speed on 'A'. Latest firmware since the cam is new.

 

Took a picture at the end of the shoot...shutter just went 'click' but didn't seem to recock...almost similar sound to the M9 in old discreet mode if that makes sense. Sounded like a 'partial M240 shutter sound'...if that makes sense. Red light stayed on (blinking I think if I remember). I turned the power off. Light stayed on. Took the battery out and put back in. Seemed to work and didn't lose any images (thank god since it was a paying shoot). Hasn't happened again.

 

I wanted to compare notes, since I'm wondering about the 'hardware' fix you spoke of...if I should look into this, and what the specifics are. Cheers!

I would call Leica CS and ask.
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Jaap - with the slow shutter recock, I'm just wondering if the same thing happened to me (you'll maybe be able to tell from my description). Background: I have a new M-P (240). Probably about 500 actuations at most. I was doing a magazine shoot. Card is a new Sandisk Extreme Pro 64gb, 95 mb/s. Fresh battery. Not in continuous mode, not using LV or EVF (wasn't even on the cam). Temp outside, around 8-10 Celsius. Shutter speed on 'A'. Latest firmware since the cam is new.

 

Took a picture at the end of the shoot...shutter just went 'click' but didn't seem to recock...almost similar sound to the M9 in old discreet mode if that makes sense. Sounded like a 'partial M240 shutter sound'...if that makes sense. Red light stayed on (blinking I think if I remember). I turned the power off. Light stayed on. Took the battery out and put back in. Seemed to work and didn't lose any images (thank god since it was a paying shoot). Hasn't happened again.

 

I wanted to compare notes, since I'm wondering about the 'hardware' fix you spoke of...if I should look into this, and what the specifics are. Cheers!

 

This has happened a few times when using the EVF with my camera, too. Especially when doing rapid shots with the EVF or in LV mode.

A power off/on or taking the battery out fixes it. I doubt it's a shutter problem. Seems like an electronics or software problem as usual. I've heard about many people experiencing the same issue.

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Well, on my car there isn't. And it is one of the most computer driven ones around. The remote diagnose facility requires the dealer to log in at Mitsubishi Japan.

 

Given your devotion to German cameras I'm shocked you'd own a Japanese car. :D

 

I think your dealer is pulling your leg. Mitsubishi OBD-II Trouble Codes

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Err.. Yes. Non newer than 2004 I see. Not with the Outlander PHEV, though.

I own and use a sprinkling of Japanese cameras too.. Olympus, Sony, Panasonic, Canon....

 

 

Interesting! May I ask which Japanese cameras?

 

I own a few myself G3, D40, D200, (no longer D300, D3, S95; my kids have them), D800E, NEX-5N, NEX-7, A7R, E-P2, E-M5, E-M1. In particular the A7R and E-M1 with native lenses get more use than my M9. These two cameras also function well in automatic P&S mode. The NEX-7 gets mostly used with an APO-R 280/4 for extra reach for birding and such, the A7R does well on a Vario 105-280/4.2, 28-90/2.8-4.5 and WATE 16-18-21/4 for landscape shots.

 

How do you use your Japanese cameras? TIA.

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A year and a half old and it already needed a new shutter :confused::eek: How many actuations? My Canon cheap plasticky :rolleyes: 5Ds from 2004 are on their original shutters with well over 100K actuations on each.

 

Canon 5D does not have live view … live view cameras' shutters 'open close open close' .. non-live view just 'open close' … thus M 240 has more shutter movements.

 

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True ^ and I made that point earlier in reference to the M240 and live view. The 5D2 does, along with the MkIII version of 1D series which have been around quite a few years and see heavy professional use. So do a slew of other prosumer and consumer DSLRs from Canikon, and I haven't read of a spate of early shutter deaths among them. Hasselblad V-series leaf shutters saw similar double-actuation use and they took quite a licking without failing in most cases, although Hassy recommended rebuilding them at 50K IIRC (it's been a while since owned the system).

 

But this sounds like an electronic glitch, which may or may not be related to number of actuations, but most likely not. Apparently though, the only solution is to replace the entire shutter.

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Hmmm...there is one glitch in the argument though. Nearly all shutters of all brands (with exception of the Hasselblad iirc, and for instance the Leica S) are built by the same company, Copal. In fact the dgiM shutter is a development of the R8/9 shutter.

Your case may be different, but I lack the statistical information that would cause me to speak of a " spate of early deaths"

A number of posts in a forum can hardly be called a sensible foundation. Would you share the basis of your assertions with us?

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Interesting! May I ask which Japanese cameras?

 

I own a few myself G3, D40, D200, (no longer D300, D3, S95; my kids have them), D800E, NEX-5N, NEX-7, A7R, E-P2, E-M5, E-M1. In particular the A7R and E-M1 with native lenses get more use than my M9. These two cameras also function well in automatic P&S mode. The NEX-7 gets mostly used with an APO-R 280/4 for extra reach for birding and such, the A7R does well on a Vario 105-280/4.2, 28-90/2.8-4.5 and WATE 16-18-21/4 for landscape shots.

 

How do you use your Japanese cameras? TIA.

NEX7 as second string to the M when travelling. Especially with the 135 APO fitted it is a manoeuvrable video camera as well. The M with the big zoom is a bit unwieldy for quick grab videos.

Olympus XZ1 has a very nice underwater housing for diving and my wife likes to use it around the house. Panasonic LZ1 when I really don't want to take a camera but still do. A few older Canon and Ricoh P&S things in a drawer.

Of course any number of film cameras of various brands. The newest acquisition is a Corfield Periflex Goldstar with LTM mount. I happened to have a Lumax 50 lying around, so a happy reunion.

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Canon 5D does not have live view … live view cameras' shutters 'open close open close' .. non-live view just 'open close' … thus M 240 has more shutter movements.

dunk

 

Some Live View cameras like the 5D2 have electronic first curtain.

In those cameras, only the second curtain needs to be closed, hence the shutter wear is reduced with respect to the Leica M.

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