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I don't know, the problem with AWB is still there, although to a lesser extent but still present. I'm guessing people are resigned to the fact and are awaiting s further FW fix.

 

As for SDS there have been a few threads on and off, but perhaps we've reached saturation point with most people who were waiting for an M8 have received it by now. The flaws of existing stock seem to have worked their way out into the open and have either been resolved or are in the process of resolution.

 

All is quiet on the eastern front, shhhhh! No news is good news as they say.:)

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Jaap you stole my thread was thinking the same thing, it has been quiet. Maybe we are at a good point but i like waking up in the morning and checking in and NOT seeing my M8 LCD screen won't work the camera shoots than everything dies. Hopefully it will be behind us

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I have found that the awb is now very accurate. I noticed after the most recent update that when I process my raw files, the wb is most always where it should be, including shots taken indoors. I would say that now it is as accurate as the awb on my 5D and my wifes Rebel xti.

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Paul I would mostly agree with you, but I have noticed in a sequence of shots there is a tendency to drift slightly. I don't recall if it's any more or less accurate than the Canon's as I used to leave it on daylight and change as necessary in post. I perhaps am getting lazy with the M8 and tend to leave it on AWB hence I notice the subtle differences. But you are correct in saying that since the last FW update things have improved quite considerably.

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As for SDS, maybe it was a matter of plus and minus tolerances adding up to this problem, after all, this camera is far more put together from different sources than other digital designs. If the tolerances changed it might put an end to the problem, and the cameras that had to go went and were repaired. Maybe one or two out still out there. We don't want to lose that tingling sensation of insecurity, now do we?:D

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Given repair response times, cameras are still failing it's just that people are tired of complaining to deaf ears. Two different hardware failures in three months is two too many. Something is amiss, if Leica knows what it is it isn't sharing that information with us.

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John anyone that has a failed camera is not going to keep there mouth shut, there going to complain as they should. Those complaints have gone down very much from the past.

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Guy,

 

Normally I might agree with you but at least two current threads point to the opposite. The threads I am referring to are "M8 Rangefinder adjustment..." and "M8 on the line" where the solution to failed cameras seems to be to buy a backup M8. Obviously, such behavior encourages rather than discourages Leica to solve its problems:) In any case, that is not a solution for most of us.

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John, in fairness I think I ought to point out that, in the M8 rangefinder thread the original poster had dropped the camera - was it 4 feet? I think almost any camera would be liable to damage of some kind if that were to happen.

 

In the second - M8 on the line - Brent was actually saying what a good job the camera had done after having had problems with earlier bodies.

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After 40 years on Leica M camera's I would like to amend the subject of the rangefinder-adjusting thread to: "rangefinderadjustement on Leica M camera's aggravated by 100% crops and more precise image forming on the M8" Nothing M8-specific there, except that Leica made it a bit easier. As for backup, I needed backup for Canon DSLR's, Leica R camera's, Leica M3 and M4 and M6 camera's, so that is, I fear the real world of things mechanical (and digital:o ) The only camera that never broke down in extreme circumstances in my hands was an Olympus OM1, some time ago.....

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Steve,

 

You are right and perhaps in my haste I didn't pick the best examples but I have seen numerous posts where the solution to a defective or problematic M8 was to purchase a second.

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For the record, I don't do a shoot with only one camera -- of any kind.

 

I used an M4 with my M6 classic.

When I carried the D2, the M6 was in the bag (with ... sigh ... film).

 

Now that I carry the M8, the D2 is in the bag. But, if I were photographing dance, I would also bring the M4 (the M6 went to a new home in C--------a, where my number-one son lives). I also have to carry a meter in this case, as the M4 doesn't sport one.

 

Backup, don't leave home without it.

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Well having two is certainly the best option and anyone making money at it will always do that but yes some have bought two out of fear of going down, no argument there and for awhile there it was pretty scary, it still is too a certain degree. For some reason i just feel more comfortable with 1.102 in my camera . Maybe false hope not sure

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Steve,

 

You are right and perhaps in my haste I didn't pick the best examples but I have seen numerous posts where the solution to a defective or problematic M8 was to purchase a second.

 

.... because the owner could not bear the thought of being without the camera for the two weeks it had to spend in Solms...:p

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John anyone that has a failed camera is not going to keep there mouth shut, there going to complain as they should. Those complaints have gone down very much from the past.

 

I'm currently on my 3rd M8, when each of the first two died I didn't post a thread to any forum about it, I just returned the cadaver to my dealer in exchange for a live one. If this one dies I will do likewise, or if it's too long a time from purchase, I'll send it to Leica service. There's nothing anyone can tell me on a forum that will fix the camera, but plenty they can say in the way of the usual denialist rantings that will only add insult to injury. I don't believe for a moment that there aren't more of them out there, some already sold and some not, with whatever causes the SDS.

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Most folks want to know what happen and ask too, it works both ways i guess. Believe me i am a victim also of SDS. It just has been a little quiet and that is what i have noticed. This is a good thing, let's hope

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I had a few weird battery things last week. My battery ran itself down overnight. I bought a brand new battery in the UK as I was over for two days and had not taken a spare battery or charger with me. The new battery, which my local dealer had charged for me, also was flat when I got back to France. I reloaded the firmware just in case and apart from my first case of the venetian blinds, all seems to have resolved itself but I am keeping a very close eye on the battery meter.

 

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You've all made me think a bit. I was in Graz with the NEW (late April) M8 body this weekend and thought hey - the AWB's doing a pretty good job. Not done any systematic comparison with my January version, but it really is much more acceptable than I remember... Just a question of the firmware, or has something else been tweaked in the later production models? For an instance, I attach a snap - Graz by night - as shot with AWB...(hand held, 320 ISO, 90th second)

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