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  1. 1. Leica M Edition 60 - What's your opinion?

    • Would have bought the special edition. Too bad it's sold out.
      22
    • As regular model for a reasonable price, please!
      181
    • Regular model, please. But with a slimmer housing.
      114
    • I like the approach but I'm not going to buy one.
      98
    • A digital camera without display doesn't make sense.
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    • Leica is completely mad if they offer such a camera.
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How did you check focus when using film?

Yep!

I just don't get digital cams without playback LCD screen.  This is definitely needed to check focus, composition, exposure, etcetcetc.  And take the picture again.  It's too late to correct it if you are at your computer!  <_<

And a camera without strap lugs???? Now that's really bizarre.

cheers Dave S :wacko:

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I'd seriously consider buying the M60 if it could use an EVF (preferably the newer Visoflex type, as used by the T camera). I'd buy it not for the 'lack of distraction caused by chimping "feature" ' but because of the dedicated ISO dial on the back that can be used quickly, without taking one's eye from the finder. Any image review, to the extent necessary, could happen in the EVF, with a histogram, clipping info etc. The EVF is also useful with wide angle lenses, if accurate framing is needed. I am surprised that the M60 can't use an EVF...actually played with one in the shop last week and the omission of an EVF made me not buy it in the end (buying an M246 instead).

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Sadly not - iPads do not do well with Leica DNG files (which only have a teeny tiny preview).

 

. . .unless things have changed in the last few months?

PhotoRAW on the iPad can help there. It does a good job of converting Leica DNG files to TIFF or JPEG. But it's not particularly fast.

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I really thought hard about buying the M Edition 60. I love the concept of an absolute minimalist digital Leica, and I could write a check for amount needed without losing my home or ability to have the occasional meal. It would be the equivalent of my M4-2 albeit with a meter and auto-exposure built in. 

 

But I just didn't want to spend that amount of money for a special edition—fancy box and all—and for yet another 35mm lens, however wonderful both might be. I'd rather spend $8000 for another M-P (now MM246) and use the lenses I already have. If they'd do an ME60 body type with the MM246 sensor as a regular production item, I'd switch my order to that.

 

All that said, I'm pretty happy with the M-P240 and expect to be delighted with the MM246 too.

 

G

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A digital Leica without an LCD baffles me - how would Leica show messages like:

 

"SD Card Full" when the SD card is actually 95% empty?

"Shutter Fault" at random times?

 

I'm only half joking... :rolleyes:

 

 

Indeed, only half joking:

 

From the Leica Manual page 78:

Memory card capacity display

The number of pictures remaining can be displayed in the viewfi nder:

1. Turn on the camera.

If required, i.e. if the camera is turned on but the viewfi nder display has

been turned off again:

2. Press the shutter release to the fi rst pressure point to activate the

viewfi nder display.

3. Press the function button twice

° The relevant fi gure is displayed.

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Sadly not - iPads do not do well with Leica DNG files (which only have a teeny tiny preview).

 

. . .unless things have changed in the last few months?

 

@Jono: Just copied an DNG to an SD card, hooked up the connection kit to my iPad (latest generation), and the DNG file is imported correctly and displayed on the screen without any troubles.

I have seen in the past indeed the phenomea that the DNG is totally pixeled (like an 15k pic), but now it works!

 

John

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@Jono: Just copied an DNG to an SD card, hooked up the connection kit to my iPad (latest generation), and the DNG file is imported correctly and displayed on the screen without any troubles.

I have seen in the past indeed the phenomea that the DNG is totally pixeled (like an 15k pic), but now it works!

 

John

I have to correct my statement above.

DNG's are indeed shown as very pixeled images on the standard photo application on the iPad that opens when you attach the USB connection kit with its SD card.

I don't know what happened before, maybe I had imported an JPG instead of the DNG.

But there is also good news.

It seems that only the standard Apple app photos that is opened by default when attaching the SD card shows this pixeled version (looks like  an 15k image as already mentioned by Jono before).

If you open another photo app, like Lightroom or Photogene, the apps do some processing with the pics that were transferred before to Photos but they do indeed display the high resolution pic on the iPad.

Assume that the same happens in Photoraw.

 

As I will be traveling next week, and will have no iMac with me :-) the iPad solution will give me sufficient info to review the DNG images during the evenings.

 

 

Got my M60 today, and I must say, it is indeed a marvelous piece of equipment! 

 

John

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On a weekend trip south with my sister and her husband. Have brought the M60 and M-A. An oddly compatible pair (though I must confess to being a little sloppy with exposure settings on the M-A). 

 

What I'm finding is that I think more carefully about the shot with these cameras. Not being able to review the image stops me from firing off shots (not that I ever did that much). I think more about composition, take less shots and take more care about what I'm exposing for (with the M60, anyway). Having only 4 settings (3 on the M-A) is very different from using the T ...

 

Others' routes will vary, no doubt. 

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The first few shoots I would take shots and find that my thumb would reach for the View button that is not there. I was filled with anxiety and trepidation until I sat in Lightroom. It all came back to me. The good old days--delayed gratification. 

 

In in regard to design. I ponder if only Leica could put some lugs into this body and replace it with a monochrom sensor. Damn this design constraint. The leather case bites.  The strap is short and thick. The shutter release button is very crisp BUT no remote release.

 

I am enriched by the camera. The mandatory wait is worth it in folds.

 

The immediate improvements must be: 1. Strap lugs 2. Remote release. 3. Back to brass, paint etc. 4. A la carte customizations 5. Drop the ostentatiousness crap. White gloves. That's a dingbat idea. 6. Monochrom //  

 

Weight is not at all burdensome. It seams lighter. Unless you put the awful case on it. Then it's a yoke. The strap is so stupidly short. Another dingaling. 

 

The lens in stainless with the flush controls is brilliant. Superb in every way. Destined to be a classic when the camera body ages into oblivion. 

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The strap is so stupidly short. 

 

I guess it's a personal thing, but I find the strap length perfect for either around the neck or on the shoulder.

 

The camera and lens are also nice  :p

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I guess it's a personal thing, but I find the strap length perfect for either around the neck or on the shoulder.

 

The camera and lens are also nice  :p

Personal, very much! Reading my post again, I failed at being colorful. Stupid and dingbat are offensive! I take back my crass remarks in Post #236. (Next time I'll consider asking my good wife to pre-read my posts.)

 

For me the strap at this length, without adjustment, lacks common sense.  

 

I should have ask for a trial fitting.  :p <-back at ya!

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A short update on the Edition 60 - it is everything I had hoped it would be, with one disappointment.

 

Not generating JPEGs, not having an LCD and not taking continuous images, I had hoped that I might be spared some of the gremlins affecting the M(240).  Sadly, it's not to be.  On three occasions while out taking pictures, the red light on the back (showing writing to the SD card) has come on and stayed on.  The issue is solved by removing the battery, but it's a pain nonetheless.

 

I have emailed Leica - no response at this stage.  The disappointing thing is that a firmware upgrade has to be unlikely.  I guess every silver lining has a cloud.

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