thighslapper Posted October 22, 2014 Share #81 Posted October 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for your pristine example of arrogant attitude, as if you knew for sure I have a faulty camera. For Gawds sake give it a rest........ We have 'Leica Camera Lock-up Syndrome' A Syndrome is a cluster of symptoms that fall into a group ..... to a greater or lesser degree, but where a convincing cause or underlying disease mechanism is not discernible. As none of the reports contributing to this on the forum have come up with: a) A discernible pattern when the events are noticed and described Some degree of repeatability c) A convincing unity amongst the various reports that indicate it is one problem and not several It seems highly unlikely that Leica will be able to discern a single 'disease' that is underlying the 'problem'. No one here to date amongst the 'great minds' on the forum has supplied a convincing answer .... so I am not clear how Leica are going to do it either. My personal opinion is that it is an interaction of flakey voltage tolerances, an underpowered processor and a buffer/read/write interface that is occasionally overwhelmed by conflicting software commands that are not written carefully enough to prevent looping/stalling. ie. Leica need to chuck it all in the bin and start again. Hopefully the next incarnation with a version of the new S Maestro processor and better custom components will avoid these issues. The M8/9 was a real dogs dinner of electronic bits bolted together .... the M is a good second attempt. Maybe no. 3 will finally get to Sony/Fuji/Nikon standards with the electronic innards. I can't see the point arguing about all this any more. It will not be fixed. The problem is not widespread or frequent enough for Leica to expend resources on trying to find a needle in a haystack .... it's cheaper to keep giving Algrove and Mr Cat (if he wants one) new cameras ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paulus Posted October 22, 2014 Share #82 Posted October 22, 2014 it's cheaper to keep giving Algrove and Mr Cat (if he wants one) new cameras ...... Sounds good to me. I have lock-up once in about 1500 /3000 shots. How do I prove it to Leica if they cannot find a lock-up in time? Circumstances might be different when they do their tests, or do you think they have the leisure to manually hit the button 1500/3000 times? Do you think they just have to believe everyone who want a new camera after a year or two? I don't think they will be much interested in this idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 22, 2014 Share #83 Posted October 22, 2014 Leica needs to automate their testing process in a testing lab with lots of cameras properly instrumented! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 23, 2014 Share #84 Posted October 23, 2014 Maybe there are one or more hardware faults which cause the firmware to become unresponsive as Pop insists. There is also a software fault which allows the power off switch interrupt to be ignored. I wouldn't be surprised if parts of the firmware were bought without source by Leica which means that their chances of fixing it are as good as ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 23, 2014 Share #85 Posted October 23, 2014 Just checking in to report that my M240 continues to work without any lock-ups. Endless rants and speculation here by those that own the camera and those that don't, but still post with extreme frequency and malice, is quite puzzling. I'm not sure how or why you would want to expend (waste) so much of your life posting here where it obviously does no good (for you) what so ever. No one here can help you. Instead, send your faulty camera back to Leica. I did. I have no suggestion for those that do not own the camera and continue to post here. Except, maybe, to point out that life is short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share #86 Posted October 23, 2014 Instead, send your faulty camera back to Leica. I did. Rick I did not realize you had sent your camera from last summer lockups back to Leica for a replacement. I will do it with one and see what happens at their end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 23, 2014 Share #87 Posted October 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) RickI did not realize you had sent your camera from last summer lockups back to Leica for a replacement. I will do it with one and see what happens at their end. Lou, Last summer in Europe I reported (in beta testing) during the entire trip about my lock-ups especially with the EVF. And, yes, I also sent the camera back to NJ when I got home and the entire mother board was replaced. This and/or the next firmware has completely solved my camera lock-ups. But, I also don't shoot like you with many continuous shots. And, I shoot DNG compressed. I do, however, shoot any card I happen to have irrespective of how it was formatted, erased or what camera it has been used in. I have no idea what confluence of factors cause others to experience lock-ups. I do know how frustrating it can be especially when an opportunity is lost. If, folks want to get Leica's attention, send your camera back for repair. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 23, 2014 Share #88 Posted October 23, 2014 But, I also don't shoot like you with many continuous shots. And, I shoot DNG compressed. I do, however, shoot any card I happen to have irrespective of how it was formatted, erased or what camera it has been used in. Exactly the same here, but I often shoot "single-continuous" (i.e. pressing the shutter very frequently, and feeling the camera lag behind). I also often switch live-view on/off, depending on the subject and need for critical focusing. I review important images in-camera, zooming in to check sharpness. The camera receiving impatient user inputs before completing some internal processing, may cause race-conditions or deadlocks to occur in the software. Indeed, I am not the kind of photographer that takes his time to think, focus, and compose each shot. But don't tell me the user is defective Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 23, 2014 Share #89 Posted October 23, 2014 The user is not defective. The user is flawed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 23, 2014 Share #90 Posted October 23, 2014 The user is not defective. The user is flawed. The user isn't flawed - the camera is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 23, 2014 Share #91 Posted October 23, 2014 Why spreading false rumours like that? Nothing personal of course but i will begin to wonder if some people here have not an agenda... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 23, 2014 Share #92 Posted October 23, 2014 The user isn't flawed - the camera is! Am I to understand correctly that you don't actually own the camera (M240)? You just enjoy hanging out here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted October 24, 2014 Share #93 Posted October 24, 2014 Lou, Last summer in Europe I reported (in beta testing) during the entire trip about my lock-ups especially with the EVF. And, yes, I also sent the camera back to NJ when I got home and the entire mother board was replaced. This and/or the next firmware has completely solved my camera lock-ups. But, I also don't shoot like you with many continuous shots. And, I shoot DNG compressed. I do, however, shoot any card I happen to have irrespective of how it was formatted, erased or what camera it has been used in. I have no idea what confluence of factors cause others to experience lock-ups. I do know how frustrating it can be especially when an opportunity is lost. If, folks want to get Leica's attention, send your camera back for repair. Rick Very interesting. My frezzes I had after the release if the latest FW were reported to Leica. Their answer was, that they can reproduce that and that it is a software problem - will be fixed with the next update. So I don't send in the camera. Was that right ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2014 Share #94 Posted October 24, 2014 You've got freezes while focussing with EVF in "Autozoom" mode if i remember well. I have no experience with this mode personally but your problem has not been reported here before AFAIK so if Leica told you that this is a firmware issue, the best thing to do is to wait for the next firmware update certainly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted October 24, 2014 Share #95 Posted October 24, 2014 So I do ... (You remember very good...). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 24, 2014 Share #96 Posted October 24, 2014 So I do ... (You remember very good...). So, it wasn't a flawed user after all! That's good to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 24, 2014 Share #97 Posted October 24, 2014 Seems like Berlinman did three things: - he bought a M240 - he asked Leica about his problem - he did what Leica advised to do How many complainers here have actually done the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 24, 2014 Share #98 Posted October 24, 2014 Seems like Berlinman did three things:- he bought a M240 - he asked Leica about his problem - he did what Leica advised to do How many complainers here have actually done the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 24, 2014 Share #99 Posted October 24, 2014 Seems like Berlinman did three things:- he bought a M240 - he asked Leica about his problem - he did what Leica advised to do How many complainers here have actually done the same? Yes ...... but he had a repeatable problem that could be replicated on other cameras Most of what has been described here is random and varied in what actually happens ..... that is if the user can actually recall what they were doing and the settings at the time .... which appears to be rather rare ...... so we are dealing with 'anecdotal' reports of limited value ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 24, 2014 Share #100 Posted October 24, 2014 Seems like Berlinman did three things:- he bought a M240 - he asked Leica about his problem - he did what Leica advised to do How many complainers here have actually done the same? I did the same.. but skipped the last two steps. The result is the same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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