woodda Posted May 5, 2007 Share #1 Posted May 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Anybody know when it is going to be available and the size/features of the new flash gun. I hope it is simliar to the Nikon 600 or 800 flash guns. I.E. no huge Metz 54 MZ mega blaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 5, 2007 Posted May 5, 2007 Hi woodda, Take a look here New M8 flash. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
bradreiman Posted May 6, 2007 Share #2 Posted May 6, 2007 havent heard about it. source? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodda Posted May 6, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted May 6, 2007 Richard Caplan and several other LOndon dealers. Due in next few months but no more details except will be bigger that SF20d and has bounce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinb Posted May 6, 2007 Share #4 Posted May 6, 2007 Hope it's true, because if it is, I will probably wait with buying a flash for my M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 6, 2007 Share #5 Posted May 6, 2007 I certainly hope so because whereas a Leicagoodies SFILL soft box works on my SF24, bounce would be a whole lot better and much quicker that fiddling about, sticking the SFILL onto the SF24. I have ended up just not bothering to use flash most of the time on the M8 and when I do, it is generally the tiny Minox 8 x 11 flash, as that fits in a shirt pocket. I note that in the latest LFI magazine, the articles on SCA flashes starts off by saying how wonderful it is that the M8 works with the SCA system but ends up saying what lots of us have found out, that it really does NOT work with the 54MZ-4i on GNC, as it gets the exposure wrong half the time, you can't alter the EV and the secondary flash sometimes works and sometimes not. It then goes on to say that although the huge 76MZ does work, it is a bit like having an elephant connected to a mouse. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted May 6, 2007 Share #6 Posted May 6, 2007 Well, the Nikon SBs are not small when mounted on the M8. I'll trade a bit less power for a smaller size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd. Posted May 6, 2007 Share #7 Posted May 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) 'leica m' and 'flash gun'... ah, yes, it's 2007 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 6, 2007 Share #8 Posted May 6, 2007 'leica m' and 'flash gun'... ah, yes, it's 2007 Come on Tim - I remember my father sending his IIIC to Wallace Heaton to have F and M flash synch put on it, so that he could use it with his Bilora bulb flash and that was in the early1950's. He had not used flash before he got his IIF in I think, 1954 and was very taken with flash. He went on to buy a Speed Graflex flash gun that took huge flash bulbs the size of a domestic light bulb (?PF100's) for taking photos of amateur dramatics and night time pageants. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd. Posted May 6, 2007 Share #9 Posted May 6, 2007 Come on Tim - I remember my father sending his IIIC to Wallace Heaton to have F and M flash synch put on it, so that he could use it with his Bilora bulb flash and that was in the early1950's. He had not used flash before he got his IIF in I think, 1954 and was very taken with flash. He went on to buy a Speed Graflex flash gun that took huge flash bulbs the size of a domestic light bulb (?PF100's) for taking photos of amateur dramatics and night time pageants. Wilson yes, there are some foxes and racoons which followed civilization and live inside the cities. but i feel that's not their natural way of living. why does anybody use a rangefinder nowadays? for me it's about discretion, not making people shy by pointing six pounds of equipment at them, about compactness while traveling, about 'available light photography'. maybe it's the word gun that i can't connect with that tiny piece of m. no offence to those who feel differently, of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest licht Posted May 6, 2007 Share #10 Posted May 6, 2007 Maybe Leica missed the chance to build the best available light digital camera that money can buy, so we need a flash gun? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 6, 2007 Share #11 Posted May 6, 2007 yes, there are some foxes and racoons which followed civilization and live inside the cities. but i feel that's not their natural way of living. why does anybody use a rangefinder nowadays? for me it's about discretion, not making people shy by pointing six pounds of equipment at them, about compactness while traveling, about 'available light photography'. maybe it's the word gun that i can't connect with that tiny piece of m. no offence to those who feel differently, of course Tim, I understand where you are coming from but in an effort to simplify my life, the M8 is now the only decent modern camera I have. I suspect I am not alone in this scenario. So, if available light is not enough and in the absence of a lottery win to buy a Noctilux, which means that my fastest lens is f2, there will be situations where a flash is required. As for using rangefinders, I frequently have this discussion with my brother. He too just does not 'get' them being a Nikon and Canon DSLR user. I have tried to analyse it and have failed. It is not the focusing aspect as I used an AF Contax G2 for years. It is not the size as I had a pseudo-rangefinder, the Leica Digilux 2. The only conclusion I can come to is that we rangefinder users are just deliberately perverse. On the other hand I seem to take better photos with them than I do when I do use a DSLR. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycioni Posted May 6, 2007 Share #12 Posted May 6, 2007 Right or wrong.. There is a preception out there that a "flash gun" on a Leica M is counter intuitive. That said, I think M photographers are moving the M8 into a whole new realm from what made the Leica famous as a low light, documentary, street camera (HCB, Winnogrand). In many of these situations it may require a 'flash gun' to get the best results. If indeed I were looking for a flash (and I am not) I would look to Metz. Best. Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted May 6, 2007 Share #13 Posted May 6, 2007 I have tried to analyse it and have failed. ... The only conclusion I can come to is that we rangefinder users are just deliberately perverse. On the other hand I seem to take better photos with them than I do when I do use a DSLR. Hear, hear, Wilson! We are more comfortable with the smaller equipment but there are times when a little more light wouldn't be out of place. After all, LFI spent parts of two issues talking about the M8's flash abilities, and it does have a very interesting autofill feature. Tim--you may be right about the raccoons' habitatat, but maybe I'll be joining them! --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Campbell Posted May 6, 2007 Share #14 Posted May 6, 2007 Whatever camera you are using if you are being paid to photograph people in poor light you need to consider a flash - avialable light simply isn't reliable enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 6, 2007 Share #15 Posted May 6, 2007 why didn't the M8 have a built in flash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 6, 2007 Share #16 Posted May 6, 2007 Well i still can't buy the theory of a M camera only as a available light camera. Yes it is a awesome available light tool but it better be able to work with flash also or for me it is a no tool at all. Most of my work is with studio lighting and simple flash work also. So it really has to have that capablity and i am all for a new flash for the M8 and dedicated to it. Just not heard any rumurs at all on it, so I hope this is true and i will be first in line to buy one and maybe two depending on it's feature set. I'm wondering who is making this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckcars Posted May 7, 2007 Share #17 Posted May 7, 2007 Maybe you should switch to Canon if you lika the flasha so much. Not a necessary tool with the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted May 7, 2007 Share #18 Posted May 7, 2007 Photographers will use whatever tools they choose to get the result they want. I forget which photographer it was that said when asked if he shot with available light "Yes any light that is available". Especially for pros who have to produce results acceptable to clients under any condition, flash is an essential tool. Ideally you might want to shoot that portrait with a big North light streaming in the a large window. But you have 15 minutes to make the client look fabulous and your in a room that is lit like a morgue. Time to break out the softbox and reflectors! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grober Posted May 7, 2007 Share #19 Posted May 7, 2007 Good rumor. If this turns into fact AND isn't much larger than the current Leica flash unit, I'll buy one. Not have a tilt head is a complete show-stopper for me. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted May 7, 2007 Share #20 Posted May 7, 2007 Well i still can't buy the theory of a M camera only as a available light camera. Yes it is a awesome available light tool but it better be able to work with flash also or for me it is a no tool at all. Most of my work is with studio lighting and simple flash work also. So it really has to have that capablity and i am all for a new flash for the M8 and dedicated to it. Just not heard any rumurs at all on it, so I hope this is true and i will be first in line to buy one and maybe two depending on it's feature set. I'm wondering who is making this Guy, I cannot see it being subcontracted to anyone other than Metz, who I understand make the SF24-D. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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