JohnJWhite Posted July 7, 2014 Share #1 Posted July 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm guessing the Metz isn't fully compatible with the M 240. Anyone know for certain? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FlashGordonPhotography Posted July 7, 2014 Share #2 Posted July 7, 2014 Yep. You're correct. The SF is made by Metz, for Leica. Metz do not have a current flash in the Metz brand, that is fully compatible with the 240 except the big hammerhead gun. And yes, it's highly annoying you pay double for the same gun with a cheap plastic hotshoe (the Metz is metal). Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJWhite Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted July 7, 2014 I was afraid of that. Oh well, it's only money. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 7, 2014 Share #4 Posted July 7, 2014 If the flash is SCA compatible it will work. I have a 54 that works well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJWhite Posted July 7, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted July 7, 2014 If the flash is SCA compatible it will work. I have a 54 that works well. But does it have the same functions on the M240 that the Leica SF 58 has? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted July 7, 2014 Share #6 Posted July 7, 2014 If the flash is SCA compatible it will work. I have a 54 that works well. The trouble (as I understand it) is that with this flash, instead of being able to fit various SCA adapters according to the make of camera you have, each variant has its adapter integrated into the flash, so you buy a different kind of Metz 58 flash for different cameras, rather than the same flash and a different SCA adapter. Needless to say, there isn't a Metz 58 variant for Leica, because that one is sold to Leica as the SF58. But, as has been said, there's nothing to stop you using an earlier Metz flash that will take the relevant Leica SCA adapter (3502). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 7, 2014 Share #7 Posted July 7, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess Metz has abandoned the System SCA3002, instead making specific flash for different cameras. I have the 54MZ and the 45CL. Both work with the SCA3502. I also have the Rolleiflex and Hassleblad adapters as well. The SCA3502M5 on a compatible flash provides similar function. The major difference is the lack of a slave function. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted July 7, 2014 Share #8 Posted July 7, 2014 Maybe slightly off topic but you should have a look at the Godox V850 strobe & FT-16S wireless remote. Works perfectly on the M. Full manual remote control from the remote and a huge lithium battery that lasts for hundreds of shots for just over £100. No brainer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted July 7, 2014 Share #9 Posted July 7, 2014 Can you do the HSS with the Godox? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted July 7, 2014 Share #10 Posted July 7, 2014 No HSS sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 7, 2014 Share #11 Posted July 7, 2014 I have a 24D and a Metz 53Mz (or something like that, their nomenclature overly complex for my memory ) with the 3502 module. Mines' the M1, I never bothered to send it in for free upgrading. It communicates the ISO from the camera, which is all I give a hoot about. I don't use TTL flash, just A (on the 24D also). I find it quicker on the draw and never noticed any difference in exposure. And anything larger than the 24D feels very unbalanced on an M body to me, even as bloated as the M240 is compared to a film M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted July 7, 2014 Share #12 Posted July 7, 2014 The SCA3502 v5 on a Metz gun (I only have a 54 MZ4i as a single reference) will transfer ISO and focal length (for 6 bit coded lenses) to zoom the head of the flash. It actually works really well as an auto flash. TTL is limited to a "gnc" mode (guide number control) for digital bodies. It'll fire a pre flash for exposure in this mode. This is set in manual mode on the flash. Normal TTL with the SCA 3502 only works on film bodies. SO in gnc mode there's no HSS. There's also no FEC (flash exposure compensation) and the additional delay from the gnc pre flash is significantly longer than the delay from the digital ready SF58. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted July 12, 2014 Share #13 Posted July 12, 2014 I was afraid of that. Oh well, it's only money. ;-) That should be the official mantra of Leica users. I use my antediluvian Nikon SB-25 flash unit with my M240 with the help of a set of these http://www.amazon.com/Phottix-Ares-Set-Wireless-Trigger/dp/B00A4BR7KG/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1405178200&sr=1-1&keywords=Phottix+Ares - it is "dumb" flash - no TTL - but it is effective (and it doesn't cost $649.00 USD). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted September 13, 2014 Share #14 Posted September 13, 2014 I came upon this article today Leica M Typ 240: Part 4 (SF-58 flash and 14489 diffuser) | The Machine Planet I understand it's a bit old, but it made me start thinking about getting the unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 13, 2014 Share #15 Posted September 13, 2014 LFI 2007/3 addresses this question. The short summary is: Yes, Metz flashes with Leica interface do function on a digital M but some functions, like a second small direct flash, or even M-TTL may be problematic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 13, 2014 Share #16 Posted September 13, 2014 Recently picked up a second SF24D used for $150, same as I paid for the first one. With a little modification I managed to get the Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce for the Canon 270EX to fit, which as a diffuser seems to suffice in place of a tilting head for most uses. Paid $1.99 for it, so figured it was worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted September 14, 2014 Share #17 Posted September 14, 2014 Is the SF58 only option for the shutter speed to be used faster than 1/180s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Jones Posted September 14, 2014 Share #18 Posted September 14, 2014 I think so yes, that's the HSS option discussed above. It's well worth it in my opinion, I've had some great results (by my standards) with that function. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted September 16, 2014 Share #19 Posted September 16, 2014 I came upon this article today Leica M Typ 240: Part 4 (SF-58 flash and 14489 diffuser) | The Machine Planet I understand it's a bit old, but it made me start thinking about getting the unit. I wrote that, and nothing has changed since. The SF 58 is the only choice if you want a really usable flash for the Typ 240. No other flash has integrated TTL (the SF-24D has more of a GNC-style lag) - and part of the confusion is that Metz uses the terms "TTL" and "GNC" interchangeably. So in their lit, it looks like you have more than one choice, but you don't. The GNC you can get on the other flashes (like the 54 series) is fine, but it's not for kids or moving subjects. The "Leica" version of the Metz 58AF is for point-and-shoot cameras, not the Ms. The only other 58 unit that would work (and only then in A or M mode) is the Nikon version, since it shares a pinout with Leica for ready light and synch. I did subsequently test the 45CL-4 with the SCA 3502 M5 and SCA3045. This works in GNC mode, as well as A and M. The 45CL-4 is considerably more powerful than the SF 58 and gives you a left-handed grip. The quality of light is arguably better, and the flash is much more off-axis. I would vote that you pony up $400-450 to buy a used SF 58 v2 and be done with it. This is a $7K camera, after all. Dante Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted September 16, 2014 Share #20 Posted September 16, 2014 I just feel sorry Leica cannot come up with something designed for the M. Something in a size of Metz 20 C-2 or 36 or Nikon SB400, but with the tilt and swivel head, and maybe few more Auto modes plus adjustable power... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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