Archiver Posted June 17, 2014 Share #21 Posted June 17, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi John - This is a total nightmare. Very sorry to hear this. This is why the Leica used gear market is riddled with pitfalls. There is a whole host of things that could be wrong with an M body, whether film or digital. And recourse back to the seller is extremely limited, even with ebay which is a buyer's market but only within a certain time frame. Film bodies could have light leaks and inaccurate shutter speeds that may not be noticed for a long time, or even ever. They also could have non-genuine parts, such as taking an advance shutter spring from an M6 and installing it on an M3. Just about every secondhand object holds the potential for faults. The good thing about Leica film bodies is that they are relatively easy to repair, and can be repaired for years and years after production has stopped. Light leaks and sticky shutter mechanisms are pretty easily fixed. Digital cameras hold the potential for a lot more to go wrong, for repairs to be much more expensive, and for spare parts to be much less available as years go by. The M8 LCD screen is a recent case that we all know. And if a sensor can't be replaced, then the camera becomes paperweight that may be otherwise cosmetically perfect, whereas a film body would have to be trashed to be unusable. At least Stefan Daniel has acknowledged that a 'digital Leica for life' is an unreasonable expectation. And @jcraf - what a shocking situation! I'm glad that Leica will most probably make good on the repair. But I'm sure your gorgeous chrome M7 a la carte and David Suchet's MP will keep you occupied in the interim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thighslapper Posted June 20, 2014 Share #22 Posted June 20, 2014 Yep. It was the Dust-Aid tool and the problem was that the adhesive from the cleaning sticky tape stuck to the pad and bonded unremovably to the sensor cover glass. I now use the Eye-lead lollipop and can really recommend it. .... mmm ..... I've found both versions of the lollipop seem to add as much crud as they take off .... just in different places .... I've gone back gone back to blower and wet cleaning ........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted June 20, 2014 Share #23 Posted June 20, 2014 Why not use the blower only? And - where necessary - applicate Photoshop. One change of lenses and you have dust on the sensor again. I would let do wet cleaning by Leica only. They would repair the damage immediately and at their costs. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted June 20, 2014 Share #24 Posted June 20, 2014 Why not use the blower only? And - where necessary - applicate Photoshop. One change of lenses and you have dust on the sensor again. I would let do wet cleaning by Leica only. They would repair the damage immediately and at their costs. Jan I've managed to keep mine fairly clean by using the Arctic Butterfly static brush system, and haven't needed a wet clean in over a year of usage... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 20, 2014 Share #25 Posted June 20, 2014 Just about every secondhand object holds the potential for faults. The good thing about Leica film bodies is that they are relatively easy to repair, and can be repaired for years and years after production has stopped. Light leaks and sticky shutter mechanisms are pretty easily fixed. Digital cameras hold the potential for a lot more to go wrong, for repairs to be much more expensive, and for spare parts to be much less available as years go by. The M8 LCD screen is a recent case that we all know. And if a sensor can't be replaced, then the camera becomes paperweight that may be otherwise cosmetically perfect, whereas a film body would have to be trashed to be unusable. At least Stefan Daniel has acknowledged that a 'digital Leica for life' is an unreasonable expectation. And @jcraf - what a shocking situation! I'm glad that Leica will most probably make good on the repair. But I'm sure your gorgeous chrome M7 a la carte and David Suchet's MP will keep you occupied in the interim. Actually if one looks at Leica's website the claim is not about a camera for life, but the M system is for life.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted June 20, 2014 Share #26 Posted June 20, 2014 Actually if one looks at Leica's website the claim is not about a camera for life, but the M system is for life.... It sounds to me like an extremely liberal reading of the language... or Leica has recently modified the claim. Could you please quote? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted June 20, 2014 Share #27 Posted June 20, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It sounds to me like an extremely liberal reading of the language... or Leica has recently modified the claim. Could you please quote? I recall seeing that on the Leica website's pages about the MP, not about any digital camera or Leica M in general. It's not there now (the website has had significant changes) and the Wayback Machine will not display old snapshots because it's honoring robots.txt. I'd poke around more but I'm out of lunchtime and losing interest. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 20, 2014 Share #28 Posted June 20, 2014 It sounds to me like an extremely liberal reading of the language... or Leica has recently modified the claim. Could you please quote? I noticed it today. Sorry, for no quote I'm not going into that slow chaotic site again if I can help it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted June 21, 2014 Share #29 Posted June 21, 2014 Actually if one looks at Leica's website the claim is not about a camera for life, but the M system is for life.... Interesting change. The emphasis has then moved from the endurance of the equipment to the endurance of the customer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted August 8, 2014 Author Share #30 Posted August 8, 2014 An update. I've been without the M9 for nearly 2 months now. Had a useful update email from Mayfair today, with a comprehensive PDF file from Wetzlar attached, stating exactly what Wetzlar will eventually be doing to the camera. Which is obviously replacing the sensor, and a full CLA. Interestingly, they have stated that the original M9 coverings are 'no longer available' so I have to settle for an alternative - presumably M9P style?? I have to accept this as a condition of the repair. The good news is that all this will be zero cost to me. The really bad news is that Wetzlar are 'waiting for sensors'. ETA to me is mid to end of Sep........if I'm lucky. So that's 3 to 3.5 months without the camera, minimum. I'm saying nothing. In a moment if idleness, I have asked the cost of an M9P upgrade (if still available) as they'll have the thing in bits anyway. Should be less than normal cost in that case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted September 11, 2014 Author Share #31 Posted September 11, 2014 It's back at Leica Mayfair. I'll be collecting on Saturday the 13th. 3 months after it left me. This may well mean that Wetzlar now has M9 sensors available in numbers. For me, it's just in time for the M9 to accompany me and my MM to Photokina next week and Wetzlar the week after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted September 14, 2014 Share #32 Posted September 14, 2014 I posted about a year ago that I sent my MM into Leica NJ for sensor cleaning and it came back with a sensor replacement since it was cracked and I thought it was just a dirty sensor. I never clean my own sensors and was surprised it had happened. I remember from my post that Jaap said he had never heard of this happening to a Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 15, 2014 Share #33 Posted September 15, 2014 The things happening to you never fail to amaze me.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 15, 2014 Share #34 Posted September 15, 2014 The things happening to you never fail to amaze me.... But it may have only happened to one of his 8 or 10 Monochroms. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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