jaapv Posted May 22, 2014 Share #41 Posted May 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I will not comment on medium focal lengths under 200 mm, but I can attest that the EVF2 works quite adequately at real long lenses and that the focus peaking is perfectly capable at nailing focus at those focal lengths, when I tried the A7r I found the focus peaking considerably more obvious and thus easier at first sight , but at the same time it was far less accurate for long lenses. Not unexpected, as there is an inverse relationship between bold outlines and precision. Having said that, a better EVF would have been welcome, however it was not available yet during the design of the camera. I’m sure the next iteration of the M will use the EVF of the T or the second generation thereof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jon Warwick Posted May 23, 2014 Share #42 Posted May 23, 2014 I would love it if the next M was 36mp+. For SAME sized prints, I assume it would produce output as good or better than 24mp when shooting handheld. And 36mp+ would offer a platform that also allows larger prints when using the camera with flawless technique on a tripod. 36mp+ would also make the most of certain lenses like the 50mm APO, a lens that shows its potential better on the higher resolution Monochrom than it does on the M240. So, the way I see it, is a higher mp camera would maintain the benefit of both superb handheld rangefinder capability, AND give the option of flawless image quality on a tripod (landscapes etc) in one package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 23, 2014 Share #43 Posted May 23, 2014 All this hand-held photography at low shutter speeds puzzles me and conflicts with my experience so that I have to suspect that proponents have low expectations. I would not mind being wrong, but to date I have not seen evidence of such, and a Web presentation is not acceptable. If a photographer has a heartbeat, and I presume we have no Zombies here, the chance of making a steady handheld photo at less than 1/15th of a second is one-in-ten. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. ...Which is why I am always aware of my shutter speed. For indoor work at 1/shutter speed or slower, the camera goes on the tripod; same for outdoor shooting. If I am doing night street photography, I take a monopod for use at 1/SS or slower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 23, 2014 Share #44 Posted May 23, 2014 I would love it if the next M was 36mp+. For SAME sized prints, I assume it would produce output as good or better than 24mp when shooting handheld. And 36mp+ would offer a platform that also allows larger prints when using the camera with flawless technique on a tripod. Assume nothing. Today (see date) more pixels does not mean greater image fidelity. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted May 23, 2014 Share #45 Posted May 23, 2014 I would love it if the next M was 36mp+. This would give me heartburn over whether or not to sell my S. I know, different cameras, different applications, different mindset. But with an improved EVF.....? S to M lens adapter? Scary thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 24, 2014 Share #46 Posted May 24, 2014 This would give me heartburn over whether or not to sell my S. I know, different cameras, different applications, different mindset. But with an improved EVF.....? S to M lens adapter? Scary thought. It is highly unlikely a 24x36mm sensor of the same pixel count as an S would be as good. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted May 25, 2014 Share #47 Posted May 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) All this hand-held photography at low shutter speeds puzzles me and conflicts with my experience so that I have to suspect that proponents have low expectations. I would not mind being wrong, but to date I have not seen evidence of such, and a Web presentation is not acceptable. If a photographer has a heartbeat, and I presume we have no Zombies here, the chance of making a steady handheld photo at less than 1/15th of a second is one-in-ten. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. That's why I think that perhaps vibration reduction is more important than lens performance if they want to put a much higher resolution sensor in a M camera. I don't think anyone buys an M with a burning desire to use it on a tripod, we do it out of necessity. The VR on the Nikon 70-200 VR2 really does give around 3-4 stops more hand held shooting latitude vs a non VR lens. That's a huge benefit - which might not be quite so big for the M because there is no mirror slap - but I'd love to find out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 25, 2014 Share #48 Posted May 25, 2014 It is merely my own opinion that making Leica M pictures off a tripod is silly. If you are going to use a tripod, then shoot at least medium format, or a Leica S. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 25, 2014 Share #49 Posted May 25, 2014 That's why I think that perhaps vibration reduction is more important than lens performance I agree! An aside - serious amateur star-gazers are concerned about tripod vibration, and to that end Celestron has vibration dampening tripod pads. I just got a set and will try them out at the next opportunity, likely when an old-time steam train passes a block from my house. I will mount my beer on the Celestron enhanced tripod. There is a cool app for the iPhone that measures vibration metrics. I just hope me mate isn't talking when the otherwise hugely disruptive locomotive is passing by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted May 26, 2014 Share #50 Posted May 26, 2014 Try scaling your pictographs down to 18 megapickels... I get that. Most of my hand held photos from my 36mp camera are unusable. The 24mp of the M are the upper limit, for me at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 26, 2014 Share #51 Posted May 26, 2014 I bought the 36MP Sony A7R and regretted not getting the 24MP A7 instead.. I am more interested by the A7s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted May 26, 2014 Share #52 Posted May 26, 2014 I am more interested by the A7s I agree, its ability to shoot at an ISO of 400K+ is intriguing. However, given its principally geared to video photography and I've never been much interested in video, it'd be of limited value to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted May 26, 2014 Share #53 Posted May 26, 2014 I agree, its ability to shoot at an ISO of 400K+ is intriguing. However, given its principally geared to video photography and I've never been much interested in video, it'd be of limited value to me. ISO 400k notwithstanding, does one really want to return to 12MP for still images? You've really got to admire Sony's audacity though; three very different versions of the a7 (warts and all) for very different purposes. Contrast it to the otherwise splendid M240, its very pitiful EVF2 and no EVF upgrade feasible because of its in-built limitations, the M-E with a 5 year old sensor and a chrome MM revealed the very day that a ?CMOS MM is rumored to be announced in September. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 26, 2014 Share #54 Posted May 26, 2014 I agree, its ability to shoot at an ISO of 400K+ is intriguing. However, given its principally geared to video photography and I've never been much interested in video, it'd be of limited value to me. same for me for video, I have no interest but the dynamic range of that camera must be number one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 26, 2014 Share #55 Posted May 26, 2014 does one really want to return to 12MP for still images? .I do , I dont call it return but stay, I find 36mp uselesswho print A1 ? 12mp are enough an I like very big pixels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOZ Posted May 26, 2014 Share #56 Posted May 26, 2014 who print A1I do, every month i print 3 to 4 A1, and sometimes A0... but i like large prints.I use my MM for that, it's a perfect camera for big size printing. But i think sensors with lot of resolution (more than 24Mb) are not a good thing, too hard to get the pictures right, you get blured if you move a little aso... I'm also using MF and just started working with 6x9 (Fuji GW 690). I scan my roll films with a Hasselblad Imacon X1 and get... 10 000x7000 sized pictures, that is a LOT of resolution, i believe i can print more than 2m50 large with that ! The quality is equivalent to a MM file but a lot larger... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2014 Share #57 Posted May 26, 2014 And from what distance do you view these prints? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOZ Posted May 26, 2014 Share #58 Posted May 26, 2014 A1 from nose to it (quite amazing what you get with a MM at this size !)... And A0, well, 1-2m is good. I haven't printed 6x9 yet, i'll try this week. Here is a A0 print... using MM. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/227421-m360-and-lenses/?do=findComment&comment=2597153'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 26, 2014 Share #59 Posted May 26, 2014 Nose to it - OK . Did you know that when you view an image from a distance that can take in the whole image the human eye needs 3 MP of print resolution to see maximum detail, regardless of print size? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOZ Posted May 26, 2014 Share #60 Posted May 26, 2014 Yes i know... as a graphic designer i print a lot of posters I just say that you can put your nose on a A1 printed with a MM and still see it like it was a A4 print, with all the details on it, that's all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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