larsv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #181 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..... I won't be happy until I have a camera that is as easy to use as my toaster. Â I would hate it to have the necessity for a wall socket when leaving home...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 6, 2014 Posted May 6, 2014 Hi larsv, Take a look here Leica T performs digital lens correction , a claim by dpreview.com. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
diogenis Posted May 6, 2014 Share #182  Posted May 6, 2014 I don't understand why you are so defensive. I see why the camera could sell well. Every lens that has more than one element is optically corrected to some degree. Can't see how the T is revolutionary in terms of compactness. OK, photography is all about owning a camera that is as easy to use as a smartphone. Samsung already had that covered with a couple of models. Did you call them revolutionary too? I won't be happy until I have a camera that is as easy to use as my toaster. We are not talking about just another lens here. We are talking about a legacy of the best lenses in the world. Coupled with a finely finished enclosure that is controlled (as claims go) with a very easy interface. Yes others have used extensively Aluminum, Gorilla glass, touch interfaces etc, but none has ever put all these together so far. Is it expensive? maybe it is. Are we to determine the premium? No we are not. Is it gonna sell? I bet it will and for the same reason an iphone can sell as high as 2x, 3x Samsung sells it's plastic phones. There are some of us who prefer purchasing luxury products. You can not justify it's costs? Fine by you, don't buy  Btw, I am not buying either since the M is far far better for me, but I would love to see an updated M with a touch interface and smartphone connectivity, and a much cleaner/modern look: keep the RF as is, leave the retro design Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #183 Â Posted May 6, 2014 What am I missing? What I read in this thread is: i) Leica makes false claims with regards to quality and innovation; ii) I don't like it; iii) It is too expensive; iv) It doesn't have a built in VF. Â Sounds like a pretty miserable tool to me. Â I will not buy it as I have ample gear. If I needed a camera, it would not be the T, as I don't like a touchscreen on a smallish camera and would prefer a built in viewfinder. Also a personal taste: I don't like the looks. At the same time, I don't see a reason to doubt the quality (same story as the XV all over again). I know I will pay a premium because of the brand. I would not buy it, if I found it too expensive for what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted May 6, 2014 Share #184  Posted May 6, 2014 We are not talking about just another lens here. We are talking about a legacy of the best lenses in the world. Coupled with a finely finished enclosure that is controlled (as claims go) with a very easy interface. Yes others have used extensively Aluminum, Gorilla glass, touch interfaces etc, but none has ever put all these together so far. Is it expensive? maybe it is. Are we to determine the premium? No we are not. Is it gonna sell? I bet it will and for the same reason an iphone can sell as high as 2x, 3x Samsung sells it's plastic phones. There are some of us who prefer purchasing luxury products. You can not justify it's costs? Fine by you, don't buy Btw, I am not buying either since the M is far far better for me, but I would love to see an updated M with a touch interface and smartphone connectivity, and a much cleaner/modern look: keep the RF as is, leave the retro design Hardly groundbreaking just expensive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 6, 2014 Share #185 Â Posted May 6, 2014 In my opinion the camera is a revolution in interface design for photocameras. A real landmark. Â (My only complain related to features would be the non existence of an effective sensor cleaning device). Â The problem comes no from the price itself, but from the price in relation to the optical design of the zoom. Historically Leica means high class manufacturing, even more than high class optical design. Ok, now we have a Japanese company manufacturing the lenses. No problem with that if the design is from Leica. New times, new products, new circumstances. Â All lenses have residual aberration, and automatic correction of residual aberrations is a bless of digital photography. The problem is not there. The problem is those residual aberrations (distortion) are shockingly high (and the lens is three times more expensive than other similar good-quality lenses in CSC APS-C format systems!). Â This requires an explanation from Leica regarding the trade-offs (where are the benefits) and how "optical excellence" has to be understood in this context, and compared to less "excellent" optics. This explanation should have been ready from the first moment. This somewhat artificial "scandal" -with some substance too- is eroding Leica reputation and ruining the T system launch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #186  Posted May 6, 2014 How exactly were expectations set one way?. Are there references to Leica's specific claims, and if so can someone point me to them? What 'truth' has come out? (The DPReview statement was wooly over just what was said to them). I'm frankly baffled at the amount of hot air and whimpering over the T:mad:. I won't be buying one because it doesn't really have a place within my requirements, not because it uses a mix of lens design and software correction which, if it produces 'good' results for its users is utterly irrelevant, isn't it?  As for price, well why should anyone buy anything more expensive than they have to? Choice is obviously irrelevant isn't it? Indeed- I will be buying one as it fits my requirements exactly. It will replace my Leica C (or rather the Panasonic...) as light backup camera for travelling. If that makes me a photographic ignoramus with more snobbery and money than sense, so be it.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #187  Posted May 6, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) In my opinion the camera is a revolution in interface design for photocameras. A real landmark. (My only complain related to features would be the non existence of an effective sensor cleaning device).  The problem comes no from the price itself, but from the price in relation to the optical design of the zoom. Historically Leica means high class manufacturing, even more than high class optical design. Ok, now we have a Japanese company manufacturing the lenses. No problem with that if the design is from Leica. New times, new products, new circumstances.  All lenses have residual aberration, and automatic correction of residual aberrations is a bless of digital photography. The problem is not there. The problem is those residual aberrations (distortion) are shockingly high (and the lens is three times more expensive than other similar good-quality lenses in CSC APS-C format systems!).  This requires an explanation from Leica regarding the trade-offs (where are the benefits) and how "optical excellence" has to be understood in this context, and compared to less "excellent" optics. This explanation should have been ready from the first moment. This somewhat artificial "scandal" -with some substance too- is eroding Leica reputation and ruining the T system launch. It reminds me of the hoohah about the XVario lens before it was in real-life users' hands - too slow, low-grade clone of el-cheapo lenses and what not - until the results began coming in.... Would it not be wiser to reserve your opinion until that point of time? And how much electronic correction does the - universally agnowledged excellent - lens of the XVario use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 6, 2014 Share #188 Â Posted May 6, 2014 And how much elecronic correction does the - universally agnowledged excellent - lens of the XVario use? Â A great deal from what I have seen. Even so, I thought that was well known so I'm a little surprised by the latest hoohah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 6, 2014 Share #189 Â Posted May 6, 2014 The Essilor Varilux range brings very good corner to corner sharpness to most lenses. Further my brain needs no software patches or firmware updates for my lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #190 Â Posted May 6, 2014 You're lucky -mine could do with a complete OS update... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 6, 2014 Share #191 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Good grief. Â Outside of the Bar, I can't recall a thread so removed from the subject of photography as this one in a very long time. And that includes threads about bags! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted May 6, 2014 Share #192  Posted May 6, 2014 I couldn’t agree more. It wouldn’t do Leica any harm to curb the excesses of its marketing copywriters and give more prominence to the actual merits of its products. I wouldn’t expect them to ditch the heritage angle altogether but leaving it to be understood that T lens are manufactured in the same way as the classic lenses of yesteryear is less than honest, in my opinion. Do T lenses really belong in the same class as Leica's M and R lenses? That is what is being implied but carefully not stated directly. As far as I know, there are no downright lies in this puff piece from Leica’s web site but I don’t see much truth either.  [ATTACH]435302[/ATTACH]  I broadly agree with everything you say regarding reigning in the false hyperbole of marketing types at Leica. The X-Vario debacle gave a false start to what turned out to be a thoroughly decent camera once it got into the hands of photographers. I have to say though that I see absolutely nothing wrong with the advert you attached - AS AN ADVERT-. I think we're all savvy enough to see it for what it is, and nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 6, 2014 Share #193 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Outside of the Bar, I can't recall a thread so removed from the subject of photography as this one in a very long time. And that includes threads about bags! Â I think you are forgetting the numerous threads about replacement black dots, straps, chrome v. back paint, etc. Believe it or not, there was even a thread fairly recently bemoaning Leica's apparent new policy of not putting a serial number sticker on the little plastic bag that encloses a new Leica lens in its box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted May 6, 2014 Share #194 Â Posted May 6, 2014 I think you are forgetting the numerous threads about replacement black dots, straps, chrome v. back paint, etc. Believe it or not, there was even a thread fairly recently bemoaning Leica's apparent new policy of not putting a serial number sticker on the little plastic bag that encloses a new Leica lens in its box. Â Oh, so true... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted May 6, 2014 Share #195 Â Posted May 6, 2014 too slow, low-grade clone of el-cheapo lenses and what not - until the results began coming in....and it is still too slow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #196 Â Posted May 6, 2014 For some.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted May 6, 2014 Share #197 Â Posted May 6, 2014 A great deal from what I have seen. How much? When is too much, too much. I want facts and figures, and I want them NOW:D!Or I'll scream and scream and scream and..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 6, 2014 Share #198 Â Posted May 6, 2014 Â The problem comes no from the price itself, but from the price in relation to the optical design of the zoom. 10 elements in 7 groups is not elaborate enough for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted May 6, 2014 Share #199 Â Posted May 6, 2014 If that makes me a photographic ignoramus with more snobbery and money than sense, so be it.... Â I don't think you're any of those things, but simply gather that you have a lot of brand loyalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuc Posted May 6, 2014 Share #200  Posted May 6, 2014 Sample file from dpreview. Looks like at least 10% linear distortion. In other words: The lens at wide angle position has uncorrected about 16mm focal length and would achieve 16 MP resolution, corrected 18mm and resolution goes down to about 14 MP. Ok, that is what we call a 'kit lens'. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/226415-leica-t-performs-digital-lens-correction-a-claim-by-dpreviewcom/?do=findComment&comment=2584343'>More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.