chris_tribble Posted May 15, 2014 Share #21 Posted May 15, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) PS - further thinking is that it must be the issue with threaded mounts. Even the single stacking ring doesn't leave the lens correctly aligned. I've spoken to Malcolm Taylor and he thinks it will be possible to machine a spacer ring which will allow for consistent alignment when the stacked rings are mounted to the M bellows. This will be good enough for me. I SO wish there was a simple extension tube which would allow one to by-pass the visoflex housing when mounting the M to a viso-bellows (or with viso lenses). It would save all this messing around. Heigh ho... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted May 15, 2014 Share #22 Posted May 15, 2014 PS - further thinking is that it must be the issue with threaded mounts. Even the single stacking ring doesn't leave the lens correctly aligned. I've spoken to Malcolm Taylor and he thinks it will be possible to machine a spacer ring which will allow for consistent alignment when the stacked rings are mounted to the M bellows. This will be good enough for me. I SO wish there was a simple extension tube which would allow one to by-pass the visoflex housing when mounting the M to a viso-bellows (or with viso lenses). It would save all this messing around. Heigh ho... There WAS the original LEM/VIS like mine... (and, for Viso lenses only, the old TXBOO if you find one,... ) I didn't think of the possibility of the issue you have experienced... but is quite possible... just a curiosity.. isn't that the threaded rings must be stacked IN A SPECIFIC ORDER ? Apart the LEM/VIS "version 1" I experienced that one can fit the Bellows II on the M240 stacking TWO OUFROs (one isn't sufficient... camera interferes with the bellows' structure) : of course, the scale on the bellows' rails are no more correct, but it works fine, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyman Posted May 15, 2014 Share #23 Posted May 15, 2014 another good all round macro option is a vintage SLR macro lens- like the Nikkor or Vivitar 55mm lenses. These work brilliantly on the new M240 with liveview and can be focused from infinity. Agreed - a big thumbs-up to the Nikkor 55mm. Great lens, and it works like a charm on my M (240.) I also picked up one of the Chinese OUFRO knockoffs – which works quite well with my 50mm Summilux ASPH – but frankly, if I'm out and about it makes more sense to use the Nikkor, as one retains the ability to focus throughout the range of the lens. If you can find one in decent shape, GRAB IT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted May 15, 2014 Share #24 Posted May 15, 2014 I SO wish there was a simple extension tube which would allow one to by-pass the visoflex housing when mounting the M to a viso-bellows (or with viso lenses). It would save all this messing around. Heigh ho... Chris, perhaps you mean something like this:-R0010436.jpg R0010438.jpg At the time when the M240 was on the horizon there was a lot of discussion about using R lenses and Visoflex lenses on the new camera. I was very interested as at the time I was using an M9 and a Ricoh GXR with M mount and I really wanted to use my Visoflex lenses on the GXR. It worked well with my VisoflexIII but I really wanted a simple 41mm spacer to replace the the visoflex. As there seemed to be no commercially available devices I asked SRB Photographic to make one up for me. You can see the result in my photos. I have hand coded it as a R adapter so I get the R lens menu on the M240. Since then Novoflex have produced the LEM-VIS which I think is similar to my custom made spacer. Unfortunately I understand that they have now discontinued it with the advent of the mark 2 version you have. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/224463-close-ups-with-my-m-240/?do=findComment&comment=2590991'>More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 15, 2014 Share #25 Posted May 15, 2014 This looks pretty well what I need... The only problem with this style of adaptor (and the same applies to the Novoflex) is the rather crude "spring" tensioning on the mount. But all the while that Leica won't supply one of these with a proper mount, it looks like a way forward. I'll see what Malcolm can do with his spacer idea - which I think will work. If not, I'll contact SRB. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted May 15, 2014 Share #26 Posted May 15, 2014 Chris, Malcolm Taylor is a skillful chap so if he can fix it so that you can get the camera lock and the lens lock in alignment that should allow the use with the bellows and still have the versatility of a variable length spacer for macro work. If successful maybe Novoflex should introduce a mark 3 version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bephoto Posted May 16, 2014 Share #27 Posted May 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Extension Tubes for M Hallelujah and Hosannah to Novoflex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 17, 2014 Share #28 Posted May 17, 2014 Anyway... collectors of old Leitz gear can find dozens of setups for their Macro shots with M240, without carrying around the bellows : the lenshead of Tele Elmar 135 is one of the more appreciated lenses for closeups : combining LEM/VIS I with OTZFO-OTRPO-OTSRO (all very light, simple, pocketable) you get really any kind of repro ratios you need, with very good focus adjustement thanks to the smart extension (and mechanical quality) of the OTZFO focusing mount : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (just taken with it... my wife's beloved "Gertrude Jekyll"... ISO 800, handeld) ... an same applies to Elmar 65... to the Elmar 90 3 elements which is also very good...etc... Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (just taken with it... my wife's beloved "Gertrude Jekyll"... ISO 800, handeld) ... an same applies to Elmar 65... to the Elmar 90 3 elements which is also very good...etc... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/224463-close-ups-with-my-m-240/?do=findComment&comment=2591800'>More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 17, 2014 Share #29 Posted May 17, 2014 Luigi - I'm trying to think through if the Otzfo would be useable with M lenses. Are you able to advise? If I got one in addition to the LEM/VISO II, would I need to buy additional rings? Interested to get your response. Thanks Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 17, 2014 Share #30 Posted May 17, 2014 It depends on the lens you want to use : the OTZFO fits directly on the LEM/VIS (see my above picture) : it has a std. male bayonet mount and was made, originally, for Elmar 65 on Viso, with which one can focus from infinity to 13", and to 11" with the 16471 (OTSRO) tube. You can find it also in black (code 16464), but the intermediate tube 16471 that you also can see in my picture, afaik, doesn't exist in black, Tele Elmar 135 focuses to 22 inch with this combo... with the usual option to add an OUFRO (to camera, or between LEM/VIS and OTZFO) for further extension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted May 17, 2014 Share #31 Posted May 17, 2014 The OTZFO universal focusing mount is designed to be used with the lens head of some of the older lenses which have detatchable heads. You can of course use modern lenses directly on the LEM/VIS or indeed one or more OUFROs which are 10mm spacers. The result is that you can no longer focus to infinity but this is not necessary for macro work and you gain magnification. The LEM/VIS Mark 2 should be quite versatile on its own as it will work without additional adapters unless you need more than 41mm extension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted May 18, 2014 Share #32 Posted May 18, 2014 Tubes are a pain. If you can not find proper tables, make your own by figuring min/max subject size with a ruler and various assemblies of tube lengths. Some lenses work better than others. My favorites are 65 elmar, 90 2.8 elmarit, 135 4.0 tele elmar. The very best you can do is 100 2.8 apo. Some of the R lenses work well with Elpros. Use the proper one, no substitutes, NO ADAPTERS as as it throws off the spacing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pragmatist Posted May 18, 2014 Share #33 Posted May 18, 2014 I love Leica but I have yet to see any macro shots of flowers or otherwise which comes even marginally close to something such as a Canon 5D produces. Such a shame really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted May 22, 2014 Share #34 Posted May 22, 2014 Announced today Leica's new 90mm macro comes with a ring they suggest could be used on other, eg, 50mm, lenses for closeup work (focused on the M via the EVF). Leica Mayfair quote UK price as lens £2250, adapter £500 – available June . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted May 23, 2014 Share #35 Posted May 23, 2014 Well - after all my efforts to get the LEM/VIS II working, Leica seem to have pulled the rug from under my feet - an adapter which will do most of the job I am trying to do, and for "only" £500. Progress with the poor man's solution is happening however, and Malcolm advises it will be easy to machine a small amount of metal from one of the LEM/VIS II rings to ensure that the camera lines up with a mounted lens or the VISO bellows. So I will have something that works pretty well - and will be interested to see if there are any further adaptations I can make to achieve the functionality of the Leica Macro adapter. More anon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 23, 2014 Share #36 Posted May 23, 2014 I love Leica but I have yet to see any macro shots of flowers or otherwise which comes even marginally close to something such as a Canon 5D produces. Such a shame really. Hmm… The defects are the photographer’s… Tele-Elmar 135 on bellows, M9& M8, Visoflex3 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/224463-close-ups-with-my-m-240/?do=findComment&comment=2595409'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 27, 2014 Share #37 Posted May 27, 2014 Well - after all my efforts to get the LEM/VIS II working, Leica seem to have pulled the rug from under my feet - an adapter which will do most of the job I am trying to do, and for "only" £500.... Yes, the new macro M extensible adapter is definitely smart ... and easy to be cloned... let's wait some months and Chinese will move on... when I bought a chinese Oufro, the seller knidly sent me a mail asking for "advices on new products" : I promptly answered "an extensible oufro with helicoid !" ...now, leica has done it before them...but, at least they have a reference price to cope with... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted May 28, 2014 Share #38 Posted May 28, 2014 I have said it before but it is worth repeating: on the M240 you are way better off getting a lens like the Micro Nikkor for close up work. So much more usable than an Oufro or any extension tubes. Also can be had for around 1/10th of the price of leica's new accessory... speaking of which: how an Earth did Leica come up with that outrageous price? It is absurd. You would have to be a fool to buy such a thing. I guess there are quite a few fools with money... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rirakuma Posted May 28, 2014 Share #39 Posted May 28, 2014 I have said it before but it is worth repeating: on the M240 you are way better off getting a lens like the Micro Nikkor for close up work. So much more usable than an Oufro or any extension tubes. Also can be had for around 1/10th of the price of leica's new accessory... speaking of which: how an Earth did Leica come up with that outrageous price? It is absurd. You would have to be a fool to buy such a thing. I guess there are quite a few fools with money... I agree with you on the price being too steep but then again this is a Leica product. People are buying Leica stamped OVF while there is identical alternatives that is a lot cheaper. Either way I think the OUFRO and the new extension tubes is an incredibly useful accessory. There's obviously plenty of more ergonomical alternatives but its fun being able to use your M lens for macro. This is a shot I took for a local chocolatier with the 50 tabicron + oufro, not quite macro but there is room to move closer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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