Ginko Posted April 1, 2014 Share #21 Posted April 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I sold mine because it was faulty with no solutions from Solms. But, it was still a nice experience with this camera capabilities. I'm looking forward the M Typ XXX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 1, 2014 Posted April 1, 2014 Hi Ginko, Take a look here You sold your new Leica M (type 240) because...?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Rva Posted April 1, 2014 Share #22 Posted April 1, 2014 yes, I sold my M240 because I believed that another camera can make better picture. I am kidding :-), I will stay with my M240 for long time.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doolittle Posted April 1, 2014 Share #23 Posted April 1, 2014 Dear Lumiere, I have a M after enjoying a M9 and several analogue Leica M cameras. To me the M is a significant improvement over the M9. I have not considered non range finder camera's as an alternative to the M. A rangefinder is really different from other systems. Though I do have considered other cameras as a back up/alternative to my Nikon (longer lenses). Because of weight and very quickly improving capabilities and quality of the mirror less system cameras and their lenses. Why are you asking? Kind regards, Lars Putting my deer stalker hat on, I reckon he is considering buying a used M, but is worried the ones on the used market are sold on because they have problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted April 2, 2014 Share #24 Posted April 2, 2014 They only thing I must say is about the rangefinder. Leica does not market it as such, but even for happy rangefinder-users-up-till-now like you (and me!) the difference is quite marked… I know that the new rangefinder has been improved, but I am really surprised that people seem to have had so many problems with the M9 rangefinder. I admit that I did prefer the frame line calibration of the M8.2 to the 1m distance in the M9, but aside from that, my M9 rangefinder has been accurate ever since I got my M9, and I use it a lot. A friend of mine is a professional photojournalist, who uses his M9 around the globe and he hasn't had any problems with it either. It is spot on! How is the difference quite marked with the M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urmelchen Posted April 2, 2014 Share #25 Posted April 2, 2014 My M240 had 7 dead columns so i gave it back to the dealer for full refund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lethbrp Posted April 2, 2014 Share #26 Posted April 2, 2014 Well, I sold mine because it was faulty with no solutions from Solms.But, it was still a nice experience with this camera capabilities. I'm looking forward the M Typ XXX That was nice of you to pass your problems onto someone else. Or did I read this incorrectly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 2, 2014 Share #27 Posted April 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) They only thing I must say is about the rangefinder. Leica does not market it as such, but even for happy rangefinder-users-up-till-now like you (and me!) the difference is quite marked… I used an M240 alongside my M9 for several days of shooting and other than the frame line illumination difference I couldn't see a whit of difference. I literally had one and the other up to my eye back and forth trying my hardest to see some astounding difference but it just wasn't there. None of the other Leica photographers along for the jaunt could see it either. Maybe if you actually purchase the camera Leica gives you an unlock code for the improvement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 2, 2014 Share #28 Posted April 2, 2014 Well, I have been using them side by side for ten months now and I see a clear difference and so do many others. So what are we to conclude? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted April 2, 2014 Share #29 Posted April 2, 2014 Sold my M, m7 Titan and some of my rare lenses (Lux35/1.4AA, Noct50/1.2, Konica 60/1.2 ltm and loads of others). After 10 years of attempting to be a collector I got an irresistible offer from a real collector and now I am left with the M9, MP3, M5 and a lot of film in the fridge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkrzyzow Posted April 3, 2014 Share #30 Posted April 3, 2014 Purchased the M nearly a year ago, was planning to sell the M9 after a few months. Have kept both. Different strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted April 3, 2014 Share #31 Posted April 3, 2014 I received my black new M240 3 days ago. My M9 will go on sale. Besides sensor discussions, the M is a significant step up from the M9 in so many respects which matter to me including, of course, usability and versatility. I`m particularly impressed how much quicker and easier it is to nail focus in dim light with the new RF. Time to get rid of the made in J stuff I accumulated around the M9 to cover some of its weaknesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted April 3, 2014 Share #32 Posted April 3, 2014 Well, I have been using them side by side for ten months now and I see a clear difference and so do many others. So what are we to conclude? My M9 rangefinder is perfect. Perfect alignment leads to perfect focus repeatably. How else can it be better? Mine hasn't ever not been aligned perfectly, so my conclusion is that your M9 rangefinder was not perfect. In focus is in focus, out of focus means it is off. So the only conclusion can be that the M9 rangefinder can be perfect, but I guess doesn't always have to be? I have used my friends M a lot with his Noctilux .95 and I have used my M9 with the same lens. There is no difference in focus. It is spot on with each. Now again, someone, it might have been Jaap, explained before what has been improved mechanically in the M rangefinder, but in my particular case I have not had the need for these improvements. On a similar note, my friend just bought a Monochrom and he swears that the shutter is smoother than that of his M9?!? My conclusion would be that something is off about his M9 shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 3, 2014 Share #33 Posted April 3, 2014 Well, for one thing the M has less gear lash and higher contrast. Although my number of “focus keepers” is about the same, the number of images where I hit the middle of the DOF is far higher. Having said that, there is indeed nothing wrong with the M9, the difference is between good and better. The explainer was actually Mark Norton. There have been a few threads where quite a number of forum members noticed the same. There is indeed a sample variation between shutters. The smoothest I had was my M8U.Apart from the M of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted April 3, 2014 Share #34 Posted April 3, 2014 No matter which rangefinder you use, the eye-opener was definitely how much faster and more convenient rangefinder focusing is to EVF focusing and framing. A lot of people expected the EVF to be the silver bullet for focusing and it seems most users now appreciate their old rangefinder even more. My friend just got the new Fuji X-T1 and they have a nice feature that I hope Leica will adopt in their next M iteration: You can split the EVF into two small windows, one that shows the entire frame and a second one that shows an area of your choosing magnified. This really is the ticket for precise portraiture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted April 3, 2014 Share #35 Posted April 3, 2014 My M9 rangefinder is perfect. Perfect alignment leads to perfect focus repeatably. How else can it be better? ...In focus is in focus, out of focus means it is off. Thank you, I was beginning to think the kool-aid had obliterated that bit of grounded fact. If the M240 rangefinder has better contrast maybe it has more or less significance depending on the user's eyesight, but for me I didn't even notice it. Like I said, switching them back and forth quickly, didn't see a difference. Tried more than one M240, there were a group of us using them. As for gear lash and all that, again, I'll take you guys' word for it, but I didn't find the M240 any smoother or more positive focusing than the M9. If the new design makes the rangefinder less susceptible to getting knocked out of alignment, that is a welcome improvement. Although to be honest I have never had a Leica rangefinder go out of alignment on its own. I'll have to have another look at the M240 just to double-check. But the fact remains, in-focus is in-focus and that's what I ask from a rangefinder and get from my M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jvansmit Posted April 4, 2014 Share #36 Posted April 4, 2014 After owning several film & digital M cameras including an MM, I'm selling my M240, and have 'upgraded' to a couple of Fuji X-E2's with 14mm & 18mm lenses. The M240 is heavy to comfortably lug around all day with a couple of lenses, the metering is old tech, and I prefer a smaller sensor which is more forgiving of blur & small out-of-focus errors on my part. A bonus for me is that I've found the Fuji X sensor has slightly better high ISO performance in low or difficult light, and sometimes even astonishes me with it's speed & capability. While the X-E2 has it's flaws, it has yet to freeze on me, and the all too easy to turn EV dial can be easily shielded with a Thumbs Up. My decision is not without some regrets. I love the connection with Leica history, the rangefinder experience, and the Leica 'feel'. A lighter M6 size body with a smaller sensor allied to best-in-class metering might bring me back.....especially if it didn't freeze just before an important shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted April 4, 2014 Share #37 Posted April 4, 2014 Be careful. Never sell a Leica lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted April 5, 2014 Share #38 Posted April 5, 2014 I have had mine for a couple of months. In the beginning I was slightly disappointed by skin color and out of camera output. So I rebought a M9p. But so far I can't make up my mind which one I prefer. I prefer the waterproof body, processing speed, shutter release and high iso of the new M, but I prefer the lighter weight and out of camera color from the M9. In the end I could live with either. If I had to decide today I would choose the new M - I sometimes have to wait for the M9 processing when I want to take another image and I often use ISO 3200 - 2 things were the new M is really better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyman Posted April 5, 2014 Share #39 Posted April 5, 2014 I've had my M (type 240) since October, and I'm not about to sell it! But the person I bought it from did. He already owned an M Monochrom, which he had used very little because work kept him too busy. He had ordered the M240 nearly a year earlier, and when it finally arrived, it was just overkill for him to keep an second unused Leica. He immediately put the M240 up on eBay, sealed and untouched. This was pretty much just before they began to become more readily available, so I paid a premium of $1K that - honestly - I still don't regret. I also bought my first lens - the 50mm Summilux ASPH - on eBay with just several hours use, in pristine condition for $850 off the current B&H Photo price. So really, everything balanced out, and I have my dream camera at last. Not bad. And the thing is magic, in a way you can never quantify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naper Posted April 6, 2014 Share #40 Posted April 6, 2014 Here is a Kijiji listing where they what to sell or trade for a A7r Leica M 240 body, EVF and Gariz case: sell or trade - Oakville / Halton Region Cameras For Sale - Kijiji Oakville / Halton Region Canada. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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