psquared Posted April 25, 2007 Share #1 Posted April 25, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I think it's too easy to delete a picture inadvertently on M8. I'm used to the DMR firmware where you press Play - Delete - OK to delete a picture, then the picture review comes on. In order to delete another picture, you need to press Delete and OK again. In M8, when you press Play - Delete - Set, the Delete option is still active such that if you press Set again, you delete that picture. It may be a feature to some, but I for one would like to have it like it is on the DMR. Anyone else find this bothersome? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest sirvine Posted April 25, 2007 Share #2 Posted April 25, 2007 Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I think it's too easy to delete a picture inadvertently on M8. I'm used to the DMR firmware where you press Play - Delete - OK to delete a picture, then the picture review comes on. In order to delete another picture, you need to press Delete and OK again. In M8, when you press Play - Delete - Set, the Delete option is still active such that if you press Set again, you delete that picture. It may be a feature to some, but I for one would like to have it like it is on the DMR. Anyone else find this bothersome? I lost one photo and then vowed never to delete in camera again. Now I just carry extra cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted April 25, 2007 Share #3 Posted April 25, 2007 I delete when reviewing sometimes and when a set if ok, I protect everything to avoid such problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 25, 2007 Share #4 Posted April 25, 2007 First I protect all I want to keep; then I hit delete all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronaldh Posted April 25, 2007 Share #5 Posted April 25, 2007 Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I think it's too easy to delete a picture inadvertently on M8. I'm used to the DMR firmware where you press Play - Delete - OK to delete a picture, then the picture review comes on. In order to delete another picture, you need to press Delete and OK again. In M8, when you press Play - Delete - Set, the Delete option is still active such that if you press Set again, you delete that picture. It may be a feature to some, but I for one would like to have it like it is on the DMR. Anyone else find this bothersome? Me too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveEP Posted April 25, 2007 Share #6 Posted April 25, 2007 I quite like it how it is. I have not (yet) deleted an image by mistake. Hopefully it will stay that way I tend not to delete *anything* on the fly, unless I am out of card space (better to buy another card than delete a shot you can't replace), and with 16GB of SD cards, I rarely run out of space. Then when I have a quiet moment and I can concentrate 100% on the job in hand - and not be distracted even 1% - then I may go through and delete the duff shots, but only if I can concentrate 100% on what I am doing. Otherwise I leave it until later. What ever they do to make you jump through hurdles to delete shots, they can't please everyone. I would find it really anoying to have to press extra keys to delete shots, whereas some other people will still delete shots they didn't mean to, just becasue the brain learns key sequences and you do them automatically. So it's a no win situation. You just have to be more carefull about deleteing shots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrogers Posted April 25, 2007 Share #7 Posted April 25, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do what Pascal does---use protect all. I do deletes rapidly but carefully when I have time and attention to spare. After doing a round of deletes, protect all. I like Jaap's method even better, but have a mental block against ever selecting "Delete All"... Consider adding "safety" steps when you want them by protecting everything, then unprotecting and just deleting the things you want to get rid of. That gives you more certainty, but lets me keep a rapid edit capability. Until later, Clyde Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted April 25, 2007 Share #8 Posted April 25, 2007 The problem is that the interface on the M8 is laggy (esp. since the latest firmware release), and I found myself hitting "set" twice by accident, deleting two files. I think the whole delete interface is wrong to begin with. It should be (1) Press delete (2) Confirm. There's absolutely no need for "Delete All" since you can simply reformat, and pressing Delete then Set makes no sense. Even less intuitive is pressing Delete again to return to normal operation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted April 25, 2007 Share #9 Posted April 25, 2007 I have no problems as it is. And I like Delete All. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted April 25, 2007 Share #10 Posted April 25, 2007 All delete functions should be used with extreme care, I can understand people wanting a confirm prompt. From my own point of view I like the fact I can cycle through the images and just hit set to delete the one I don't want without having to confirm my choice. I very rarely use the function as I have plenty of cards but when the need arises it's a very quick and simple procedure to do. I do agree however the review can become a little sticky since the 1.09 update and this needs to be addressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted April 25, 2007 Share #11 Posted April 25, 2007 Ah, I should modify my complaint about "Delete All". I never thought of using "Protect All", then selectively unprotecting, then deleting all. That's a nice little workaround. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roccoriley Posted April 25, 2007 Share #12 Posted April 25, 2007 Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I think it's too easy to delete a picture inadvertently on M8. If you delete something in error just switch to a different card so that you don't overwrite the deleted files; you should be able to recover the deleted files when you have access to your PC. There are lots of programs that do this. Deleting a file normally just changes part of the file name, it doesn't affect the file itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psquared Posted April 25, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted April 25, 2007 Ah, I should modify my complaint about "Delete All". I never thought of using "Protect All", then selectively unprotecting, then deleting all. That's a nice little workaround. I guess that will do the job. I'll try that out when my M8 comes back with the shutter fixed and rangefinder adjusted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted April 25, 2007 Share #14 Posted April 25, 2007 If you delete something in error just switch to a different card so that you don't overwrite the deleted files; you should be able to recover the deleted files when you have access to your PC. There are lots of programs that do this. Deleting a file normally just changes part of the file name, it doesn't affect the file itself. Until ----- you write a new file to the disk area. Then, all bets are off. We don't know how Leica's sw reuses space on the SD card. I'm with Sol -- take away the Delete All function and make users reformat the card -- that might even be faster. It will certainly be clearer. When I started reading this thread, I immediately figured that the problem had arisen only in part because of operator head space error, and mostly because of the slow responce of the software. I agree that if someone hurries and deletes SINGLE files too quickly, then Leica should not protect them. But, let's get rid of the Delete All option. GUY, how 'bout another addition to the Tell-Leica-All-About-It list? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamr Posted April 25, 2007 Share #15 Posted April 25, 2007 I too prefer the delete file sequence of the DMR. It is all too easy to delete single files on the M8. Deleting 'ALL files' at least asks a final question prior to the deletion. I also do not like the ISO setting that allows you to scroll 'over the top' or 'under the bottom' of the ISO list. I have sometimes quickly set ISO 160 to find I have scrolled too much and set ISO 2500. The menu should stop at the top and the bottom preventing the scroll over / under situation. This should be added to the DMR laundry list also. Who knows, the DMR's laundry may get put in the wash machine one day! At least the DMR's list is shorter than the M8's. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted April 25, 2007 Share #16 Posted April 25, 2007 just be careful-please dont ask leica to change this. this forum is killing leica. can you imagine owning a company where every little whim by a product owner gets sent in by guy mancuso. let leica make the cameras-lets take the pictures. if you like a feature-great, if you dont-oh well. this isn't "technical ala carte". its a LEICA camera, not a leica-forum camera. they make cameras, we dont (except maybe mark norton). lets leave leica alone to improve the camera.unfortunately people have started to use this forum as a method to try and get leica to make the camera that they personally want. i dont want the "M" series camera to become a digital camera formed by the opinion of slr users...b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstotler Posted April 25, 2007 Share #17 Posted April 25, 2007 Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I think it's too easy to delete a picture inadvertently on M8. Personally I like how easy it is to delete photos. I'm in the delete function so I'm free to delete without interruption. As a general rule I dislike "Are you sure?" prompts. Most times I *am* sure and I find nag prompts like this annoying because they get between me and the task I'm trying to perform. Think about it this way: If I delete 200 photos that I wanted to delete without an issue and delete shot 201 accidentally because I wasn't paying attention I'll live with it as opposed to confirming an "Are you sure?" message 201 times and keeping shot 201. Frankly, dismissing an "Are you sure?" prompt becomes habitual over time, anyway, so I question its value in this interface context. Once you get used to making the "Are you sure?" prompt go away hundreds of times you are significantly less likely to stop and think anything other than, "Yes, I am sure." And then hit the delete confirm "Yes" automatically. Regardless of whether you are sure or not. As a general principle warnings should be reserved for potentially damaging actions with Big Consequences. Confirming a delete of every photo, which is a common, repetitive task--not OK. Confirming a format of the memory card--OK. Confirming installation of firmware--OK. I think Leica should be thanked for adhering to this software philosophy, which compliments the M8 well: Get between the user and his or her task as little as possible. If you're from the film age, think about any use of in-camera file deletion like removing film from a film M. . . . Make damn sure your exposed film is rewound completely before popping open the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sirvine Posted April 25, 2007 Share #18 Posted April 25, 2007 I find it a little suprising that so many people use the function at all. I'm in the "fire and forget" school of digital photography--all my rejects get tossed in Lightroom. I never know what magic, unforeseen details await until I have the exposure open on 30" of LCD. Why be frugal with memory cards? They might not be a dime a dozen, but they're $30 per GB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philinflash Posted April 25, 2007 Share #19 Posted April 25, 2007 I am not sure I want a conformation "OK" every time I delete in the camera, but then maybe that is because I have not yet deleted a keeper by mistake. However, what I would like would be an option to delete EITHER the jpeg file or the DMR file, when saving in dual mode, jpeg and DMR. Now, of course, we only can delete both or neither. Not every photo I take is a gem (I know you are surprised at my humility) and, for some shots, just a jpeg will be a fine momento. If I could then clear out the DMR file and save 10 Mbytes, it would greatly extend the range of a SD card. Or vice versa, if I have a show-stopper image (that's a big "if") that I know I am going to cherish in RAW format, there is no need to keep the cheesy jpeg file around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted April 25, 2007 Share #20 Posted April 25, 2007 I am not sure I want a conformation "OK" every time I delete in the camera, but then maybe that is because I have not yet deleted a keeper by mistake. However, what I would like would be an option to delete EITHER the jpeg file or the DMR file, when saving in dual mode, jpeg and DMR. Now, of course, we only can delete both or neither. Not every photo I take is a gem (I know you are surprised at my humility) and, for some shots, just a jpeg will be a fine momento. If I could then clear out the DMR file and save 10 Mbytes, it would greatly extend the range of a SD card. Or vice versa, if I have a show-stopper image (that's a big "if") that I know I am going to cherish in RAW format, there is no need to keep the cheesy jpeg file around. hey canon probably does this...b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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