smitty's Posted February 5, 2014 Share #1 Posted February 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) So please tell me that my M8 will still functional when it becomes as old as my lovely M3. Some cameras are disposable but I do not consider Leica to be one of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted February 5, 2014 Share #2 Posted February 5, 2014 Lots of discussion on this topic already. New LCD screens are unavailable for the M8, and the camera is not even 8 years old. And even if the camera lasts, one needs to consider future battery availability. Digital cameras are part computer, and retrieval of data (your stored photo files) may become another issue. Two different modes, not just two different cameras. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 5, 2014 Share #3 Posted February 5, 2014 Well there are enthusiasts who collect and repair old valve radio's from the 1930's so it's possible, although dare I say it unlikely. As pointed out the LCD cannot be replaced (I'm not sure what the lifespan of an LCD is if not otherwise faulty?) and sourcing batteries and SD cards, or even being able to read the data from an SD card may be issues. Who knows?! The M3 will still be working fine! (yes, I do think that 35mm film will still be available in 30/40 years time). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 5, 2014 Share #4 Posted February 5, 2014 Well there are enthusiasts who collect and repair old valve radio's from the 1930's so it's possible, although dare I say it unlikely. Unfortunately, the cases are not the same. Valve radios are built of discrete parts which can either be replaced by identical parts or substituted for. The same does not apply to electronics built of integrated circuits, least of all custom ones. Even the "printed" circuit boards might be mighty difficult to replace if they can not be mended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 5, 2014 Share #5 Posted February 5, 2014 So please tell me that my M8 will still functional when it becomes as old as my lovely M3.Some cameras are disposable but I do not consider Leica to be one of them. It may be, but its far more likely that your M3 will still outlast it (assuming film availability). I have some 'old' electronic equipment which still works, decades after it was built and probably well beyond is designed life, but electronics are, as far as I can discover, far more difficult to repair and require replacement parts of which there is a finite supply. Producing a replacement mechanical part is possible, or one can be taken from another donor item which has failed for another reason, and whilst the same will be true for the M8 in that a donor body might yield parts, electronic items cannot be manufactured as one off's. Changes is technology mean other changes which we may not like - I see no solution to this if you want to shoot digitally. I am not particularly fond of the idea of a relatively short life for a camera but hopefully Leica have learned and now retain substantial amounts of electronic spares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty's Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted February 5, 2014 I should think there would at least be an upgrade option for a Leica, that meaning newer replacement parts for a given body. For example would it be possible to upgrade an M8 to a M9? These cameras are way to much money IMO to be considered disposible. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 5, 2014 Share #7 Posted February 5, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) EVERYTHING becomes obsolete, everything is disposable. Some things more quickly than others. You pay a high adopter premium for Leica digital bodies but that does not buy you protection from the march of entropy, progress, or fashion. The M8 is dead-end tech. Enjoy it now, treat every day as a bonus. Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty's Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted February 5, 2014 Well...I don't feel that way about my M3 and M4, they are still quite usable after all these years. My 1930 Model A Ford is still a daily driver with good parts availability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 5, 2014 Share #9 Posted February 5, 2014 I should think there would at least be an upgrade option for a Leica' date=' that meaning newer replacement parts for a given body. For example would it be possible to upgrade an M8 to a M9?These cameras are way to much money IMO to be considered disposible.Steve[/quote']It's not possible to alter an M8 into an M9. If an upgrade can be offered, it will be an exchange: new body for old body. Question: What’s Leica’s position on upgrading the M9 to a M9.2, M10 or possible variants? When will there be official upgrade offers from M9 or M9-P to M-Monochrom and what would be the price range for such upgrades?Stefan Daniel: Upgrading cameras used to be a long tradition with Leica: Leica I to Leica III and IIIc to IIIf. We even offered to upgrade the M8 to M8.2. Alas, an upgrade is not that simple for digital cameras. The interfaces between the components are very tight. You can not just swap one sensor for another one, or the main board, the display or the battery. You’d have to swap the whole camera.This is also true for the Monochrom: The hardware and the main board are completely different from those of the M9. An upgrade would cost roughly two thirds of the price of a Monochrom. We don’t feel that this is sensible, economically speaking. Source: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/news/257136-leica-photokina-q-transcript.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted February 5, 2014 Share #10 Posted February 5, 2014 Well...I don't feel that way about my M3 and M4' date=' they are still quite usable after all these years. My 1930 Model A Ford is still a daily driver with good parts availability.[/quote'] Wait till film runs out, same for all cars basically... at a certain moment we will run out of oil... then you'll say I still like my Ferrari F40 bla bla, until that day actually comes that the film/oil runs out, then its a paperweight, or a very big statue (talking about the F40) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 5, 2014 Share #11 Posted February 5, 2014 Well...I don't feel that way about my M3 and M4' date=' they are still quite usable after all these years. My 1930 Model A Ford is still a daily driver with good parts availability.[/quote'] So are my M2 and II... The point is the M8 cannot be viewed in the same way. Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 5, 2014 Share #12 Posted February 5, 2014 Wait till film runs out, same for all cars basically... at a certain moment we will run out of oil... then you'll say I still like my Ferrari F40 bla bla, until that day actually comes that the film/oil runs out, then its a paperweight, or a very big statue (talking about the F40) Cars are different. You can run a petrol engine on old chip fat. If the chip fat runs out then I'd use a horse to pull my Ferrari! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted February 5, 2014 Share #13 Posted February 5, 2014 So please tell me that my M8 will still functional when it becomes as old as my lovely M3.Some cameras are disposable but I do not consider Leica to be one of them. Not likely. Parts are not available now that you might need. Modern electronics has time limits, some of which are imposed by ROHS European standards. ROHS requires no lead (and other hazardous materials) in commercial and consumer products and without lead, soldered connections eventually grow whiskers that will short out the PC board in 15 to 20 years. It can't be stopped nor fixed and it is the fate of all electronics that have been produced under ROHS standards. Sorry for the bad news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted February 5, 2014 Share #14 Posted February 5, 2014 Also I think Leica has learned from the M8, I think the M240 will be supported longer than the M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 5, 2014 Share #15 Posted February 5, 2014 Also I think Leica has learned from the M8, I think the M240 will be supported longer than the M8. Following the M8 furore, Leica publicly stated that they will aim to support all future models for 10 years after production ceases, which would seem fair for a digital product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted February 5, 2014 Share #16 Posted February 5, 2014 These cameras are way to much money IMO to be considered disposible. Canon 1DS - cost new £5500 - value now <£500. Leica M8 - cost new £2350 - value now >£1000. Yes they are expensive, and yes they depreciate, but it could be worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 5, 2014 Share #17 Posted February 5, 2014 Unfortunately, the cases are not the same. Valve radios are built of discrete parts which can either be replaced by identical parts or substituted for. The same does not apply to electronics built of integrated circuits, least of all custom ones. Even the "printed" circuit boards might be mighty difficult to replace if they can not be mended. I knew I had a picture from a "paleo flea market" where ancient radio parts were on sale: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbr Posted February 6, 2014 Share #18 Posted February 6, 2014 Simple question, simple answer: no it won't. But than again, does that really matter? You certainly did not buy M3 back in 50' just to be able to use it in 2014. Shoot now, ask questions later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hepcat Posted February 11, 2014 Share #19 Posted February 11, 2014 The Yellowstone Caldera is poised to blow out again. Earth is over-due for a big asteroid strike. Climate change threatens to turn our world upside-down through storms of unprecedented magnitude and duration. Rising oceans threaten to drown coastlines for miles inland. Islands are being covered by rising seas. The poles are due for an electro-magnetic reversal. Rogue nuclear states are saber-rattling. Governments are planning for pandemics in which the potential exists for more than half the population of the planet to be wiped out in weeks. In the big scheme of things, whether or not your M8 makes it 50 years really isn't as significant an issue as it may seem. Enjoy the camera while you have it. Shoot the camera until you can't and then use whatever is next in line. It's a camera, and ultimately a consumable... it's nothing more and nothing less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 11, 2014 Share #20 Posted February 11, 2014 The Yellowstone Caldera is poised to blow out again. Earth is over-due for a big asteroid strike. Climate change threatens to turn our world upside-down through storms of unprecedented magnitude and duration. Rising oceans threaten to drown coastlines for miles inland. Islands are being covered by rising seas. The poles are due for an electro-magnetic reversal. Rogue nuclear states are saber-rattling. Governments are planning for pandemics in which the potential exists for more than half the population of the planet to be wiped out in weeks. In the big scheme of things, whether or not your M8 makes it 50 years really isn't as significant an issue as it may seem. Enjoy the camera while you have it. Shoot the camera until you can't and then use whatever is next in line. It's a camera, and ultimately a consumable... it's nothing more and nothing less. You're starting to worry me Rog. Just don't let the bark on those trees ruin your clothes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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