Nick_S Posted February 1, 2014 Share #181 Posted February 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Phone/tablet wireless tethering allows a means of backup and review. It does not have to simultaneously "held in the other" hand as suggested above:rolleyes:. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 Hi Nick_S, Take a look here A digital M6. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 1, 2014 Share #182 Posted February 1, 2014 "All along Leica has said that the digital bodies could not be thinner, because of the LCD screen. Eliminate that and it's possible to obtain M6 size". I wouldn't put to much stock in what Leica says can't be done. Leica also said that a digital M wasn't possible … until Epson made one. Leica said a FF M was not in the cards … then sensor design over-road that limitation. Leica says the M can't be thinner because of the LCD … yet the FF Sony A7/A7R body is thinner (looks about the same or less as a M6), and even accommodates the hardware to articulate their 1,229,000 hi-res LCD. Personally, I'd go for a much simplier M rangefinder without all the bells and whistles … but it'd have to have a LCD to be functional as a digital camera. However, Leica can feel free to jettison all the other tack-ons, e-connections, and novelties. Perhaps it'd be a nice replacement for the ME when the time comes. Especially IF they could see their way to price it a bit more reasonably. - Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted February 1, 2014 Share #183 Posted February 1, 2014 Leica says the M can't be thinner because of the LCD … yet the FF Sony A7/A7R body is thinner (looks about the same or less as a M6), and even accommodates the hardware to articulate their 1,229,000 hi-res LCD. It may not be thinner. At least the NEX 7 is not: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2599264-post37.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 1, 2014 Share #184 Posted February 1, 2014 Leica says the M can't be thinner because of the LCD … yet the FF Sony A7/A7R body is thinner (looks about the same or less as a M6), and even accommodates the hardware to articulate their 1,229,000 hi-res LCD. Alpha 7®: 48.2 mm M (Typ 240): 42 mm And then the Sony even has a 10 mm shorter flange distance. Now both figures are including protrusions and the Alpha 7® has more protrusions – the grip and the eye-piece – than the M has. But even if you measure the depths of both bodies without any protruding parts and adjust for the difference in flange distance, the Alpha 7 isn’t the thinner of the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 1, 2014 Share #185 Posted February 1, 2014 Alpha 7®: 48.2 mmM (Typ 240): 42 mm And then the Sony even has a 10 mm shorter flange distance. Now both figures are including protrusions and the Alpha 7® has more protrusions – the grip and the eye-piece – than the M has. But even if you measure the depths of both bodies without any protruding parts and adjust for the difference in flange distance, the Alpha 7 isn’t the thinner of the two. A rangefinder doesn't need the "protrusions" most of which is the electronic finder on the A7s. A grip on a smaller rangefinder camera can always remain an option as opposed to being built-in. The point is … the body. I placed my MM and A7R bottom to bottom and the A7R "main body" is thinner … it is also not as tall and not as wide. However, I understand the need to be taller to accommodate the rangefinder. A 10mm mount protrusion needn't dictate that the whole body be 10mm deeper. I'm with the OP, the M6 type body and/or the MP were elegant and lean … probably the best handling small cameras ever designed … subsequent digital iterations suffer from design creep and feature bloat. Leica probably could build it, and I believe many rangefinder users would buy it. Just a dedicated rangefinder, not a R surrogate, not a movie camera … just a simple rangefinder. The notion that technology marches on as an excuse for bigger M digital seems odd. It is technology that is allowing things to be made smaller. Very odd that what made the Leica camera famous is something that seems to now escape them. Personally, a digital CL is something I'd jump on in a nano second. - Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 1, 2014 Share #186 Posted February 1, 2014 If I look at my lllf next to my M2 I can't help wondering why Leica had to make the M2 so much larger. I wish they could make a new MP as small as the lllf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 2, 2014 Share #187 Posted February 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I now prefer the slightly bigger digital M profile for handling, although I didn't initially feel that way after using film Ms for 30+ years (including a couple of M6s). And I don't mind the tradeoff between longer battery life and a bit more weight. But video can go away anytime for me. I can understand, too, those having different preferences. More choices would be welcome. [i'd like to try a Monochrom that retained simplicity (no video, etc) but that had M-type improvements to shutter, RF, weather sealing, etc.] Meanwhile, there is no real impediment gear-wise to great pics with the options we have now IMO. And anytime size and complexity seem troublesome, all one needs to do is pick up any DSLR and lens. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted February 2, 2014 Share #188 Posted February 2, 2014 If I look at my lllf next to my M2 I can't help wondering why Leica had to make the M2 so much larger. I wish they could make a new MP as small as the lllf. The IIIf measures 140 mm (length), 70 mm (height) and 44 mm (depth with lens and lens cap). The depth of the body alone is 33 mm. With its viewfinder it would not be bought nowadays. Perhaps we can better compare with the IIIg. LCD screen or not. Without live view the LCD screen is not necessary, I think. For programming an USB connection with an iPhone would suffice. But the IIIg could be used without multi exposure, etc.. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 2, 2014 Share #189 Posted February 2, 2014 I don't think the notion of a smaller M mount camera is so "revolutionary" or threatening to the papa M240. There was much love for the Leica CL when it was made … it was my favorite "take with" travel/vacation M mount of all time, but didn't compel me to sell off my M6. I sure the heck wouldn't jettison all my M lenses in favor of some new set of lenses for a new Leica camera … which would be sure to be jaw dropping expensive. Less is more … more or less : -) - Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted February 2, 2014 Share #190 Posted February 2, 2014 The Ricoh GXR M mount is an ACS-C crop camera. Its dimensions are 120 mm (length), 70 mm (height) and 44 mm (depth). The depth measured without lens. With the Elmar 3.5/50 the depth is 63 mm. I use it with the hoodman lens, with this the depth explodes to 140mm. The hoodman is mounted with a gorilla tripod adapter, the height is then 80mm. I did not like the offered EVF. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imsilly Posted February 17, 2014 Share #191 Posted February 17, 2014 So her's the idea:A new M that is in every aspect like the M6 was, but has a sensor instead of film. And i mean i EVERY aspect! Exact same size of the body, NO monitor, VERY limited control buttons. Only ISO and RAW or JPG can be chosen. Would you buy such a camera? I own one, it's called an M6 and film scanner. It's like a regular M6 except it gives me a digital file as well as film, even better then a Digital only M6. I don't get this kind of ludditism, you either shot analog and deal with the issues it comes with, or you shot digital and embrace all the pitfalls and benefits that go with that. There is no more nobility shooting fully manual, ideally you'd want both manual and auto options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 18, 2014 Share #192 Posted February 18, 2014 I own one, it's called an M6 and film scanner No that's film. If you've not yet realised the two are vastly different in their look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted February 19, 2014 Share #193 Posted February 19, 2014 No that's film. If you've not yet realised the two are vastly different in their look. Once scanned, film becomes a part of the digital domain, for better or worse. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted February 20, 2014 Share #194 Posted February 20, 2014 I own one, it's called an M6 and film scanner. It's like a regular M6 except it gives me a digital file as well as film, even better then a Digital only M6. Except that it takes me around an hour to scan and tweak the contrast of a 36 exposure film with a fast scanner (Nikon 5000 ED), the sound of a scanner in operation is tiresome, and the dust and scratch removal facility only works with a couple of types of C41 B&W film. While I am very fond of my M6, it is my Monochrom which currently delights me. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 20, 2014 Share #195 Posted February 20, 2014 All of you asking for a digital M without a screen, can you please explain to me how are you gonna use the myriad possibilities a digital camera offers? Trivial stuff like, formating the memory card, switching the curtains for the flash, choosing the ISO etc... How are you gonna do that? You dont have a screen now, so what are you gonna do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 20, 2014 Share #196 Posted February 20, 2014 Voice recognition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 20, 2014 Share #197 Posted February 20, 2014 All of you asking for a digital M without a screen, can you please explain to me how are you gonna use the myriad possibilities a digital camera offers? Trivial stuff like, formating the memory card, switching the curtains for the flash, choosing the ISO etc... How are you gonna do that? You dont have a screen now, so what are you gonna do? It's 2014. An app on your 'phone can offer all that control and more via a wi-fi connection. Although personally, I would want iso control at least, on the body via a "dial" or a "knob". Ever used a Contax RX? That managed control over a plethora of custom functions via buttons and dials on the camera plus a simple LCD display on the top plate smaller than my thumbnail. Switching curtains...? What's flash...? Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted February 20, 2014 Share #198 Posted February 20, 2014 It's 2014. An app on your 'phone can offer all that control and more via a wi-fi connection. Although personally, I would want iso control at least, on the body via a "dial" or a "knob". Ever used a Contax RX? That managed control over a plethora of custom functions via buttons and dials on the camera plus a simple LCD display on the top plate smaller than my thumbnail. Switching curtains...? What's flash...? Sent from another Galaxy So, the "logical" solution for the new idea for the Leica M will require someone to have a smartphone and Leica to make the appropriate apps... Thanks but no thanks... On the other hand just like everybody else, there is just a little handy TFT screen that also doubles as a small monitor that can show the progress to your client/ friend/you whatever. Flash is that thing that flashes for when there is darkness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted February 20, 2014 Share #199 Posted February 20, 2014 Did I say "logical"? I was explaining how you could have the control you asked for, without a honkin' great integral screen. Other manufacturers offer apps - why not Leica? Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted February 21, 2014 Share #200 Posted February 21, 2014 All of you asking for a digital M without a screen, can you please explain to me how are you gonna use the myriad possibilities a digital camera offers? Trivial stuff like, formating the memory card, switching the curtains for the flash, choosing the ISO etc... How are you gonna do that? You dont have a screen now, so what are you gonna do? Put the ISO dial on the back as per the M6/M7/MP, and use the proposed small histogram LCD to present short textual confirm options such as when formatting the SD card, curtain sync etc. By way of example, the display on my tiny Sony NWZ-B143 MP3 player is about 1 1/2 cm x 3/4 cm and allows all the track display and options to be set for the player including bitrate and record options using up, down and select buttons. There is a picture here: Sony : Support for NWZ-B143 | NWZ B143 | NWZB143 technical support These are so small that my wife calls her scarlet red one the "lipstick" music player. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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